How patriotic are you?
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Topic: How patriotic are you?
Posted By: Komnenos
Subject: How patriotic are you?
Date Posted: 17-Apr-2005 at 17:45
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Having watched all this patriotic flame wars over the last few months with growing amusement and bewilderment, I thought we might want to find out, how patriotic AE members really are .
So, on a scale from 9 - 1 , how patriotic are you? 9 stands for: I support my country, regardless if its right or wrong what the government are doing. Even if they invade Liechtenstein! 1 stands for: I couldn't care less what country I live or was born in. Long live the Internationale! I voted 2 btw: "Deutschland vor, noch ein Tor!" ------------- [IMG]http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i137/komnenos/crosses1.jpg"> |
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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 17-Apr-2005 at 17:46
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Living between two countries, being patroitic to one seems pointless.
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Posted By: Exarchus
Date Posted: 17-Apr-2005 at 17:49
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5. I love my country but I won't follow it blindly.
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Posted By: Perseas
Date Posted: 17-Apr-2005 at 18:02
| I guess i am the kind of patriot who won't hesitate to object when my country goes off in a direction that i think is against the best interests of my country. In fact i think i will work to put the country back on the path when it strays. |
Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 17-Apr-2005 at 18:59
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If you add Rugby to the football, other than that my country ends at my front door. ------------- Light blue touch paper and stand well back http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk - http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk - http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk |
Posted By: Thegeneral
Date Posted: 17-Apr-2005 at 19:02
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8. EXTREMLY PATRIOCTIC AMERICAN HERE! Almost a nine but I siagree with some stuff. ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17-Apr-2005 at 19:28
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I voted 1. The simple fact that I'm born in the country I live in does
not make it better or more important than any other country in the
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17-Apr-2005 at 19:51
| i chose 5, i'm quite loyal to my people and country, but to the government... it depends |
Posted By: Dawn
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 00:20
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football doesn't mean anything now Hockey there is a reason to be patriotic. ------------- |
Posted By: ramin
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 00:45
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Canada = hockey Iran = Football I hate Hockey and I love football... so i guess I'll go with the big ball  ------------- "I won't laugh if a philosophy halves the moon" 
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Posted By: TheOrcRemix
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 00:57
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im a 5 ------------- True peace is not the absence of tension, but the presence of justice. Sir Francis Drake is the REAL Pirate of the Caribbean |
Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 01:25
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anywhere between a 1 and a 6, depending what the goverment is doing and my mood. If you had asked me when I was in 9th grade I probably would have said 7-8, right now definately more of a 1. ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 03:26
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I voted 5, but that is for my Armenianism. When it comes to my country of birth, America, i couldnt care less. Armenia would need my help much more than America would, plain and simple. ------------- Mass Murderers Agree: Gun Control Works! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Resistance Քիչ ենք բայց Հայ ենք։ |
Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 07:56
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Patriotic enough so not to be a fanatic. ------------- "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. " --- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996) |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 09:14
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I voted myself a 9, because I don't confuse the current government with the country. I love deeply the principals under which the country was founded, although the balance of power seems to be breaking down today. I will see what happens.
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Posted By: Le Renard
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 09:16
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I voted 6 ------------- "History repeats itself because nobody listened the first time." |
Posted By: white dragon
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 11:32
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i say 4 ------------- Pray as if everything depended upon God and work as if everything depended upon man. -Francis Cardinal Spellman |
Posted By: SearchAndDestroy
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 11:49
| I chose 7, I love my country, it has its problems though, that obvious. I'm not exactly happy with the current adminstration, and most of all the Republican lead congress. |
Posted By: yan.
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 14:45
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I voted 6. What about "I support my country, regardless what the government are doing. Especially if they invade Liechtenstein! "? Just think about how much money they could seize.. Actually, some local Austrians wanted to annex Liechtenstein to the Grossdeutsches Reich in autumn 1938 (or march 39?), but were called back by their superiors. |
Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 16:08
Luxemberg would be even more profitable... Than again both better again. Austria is pretty wealthy too.. and German.... and Poland's practically part of Germany! The french'll come round after a few years occupation and the Italian's can barely run the country themselves you'd be practically saving them. And Russians they just need liberating and Germans could even settle some of the Ukraine.... you never know it could last a 1000 years, that's the spirit!! ------------- Light blue touch paper and stand well back http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk - http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk - http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk |
Posted By: yan.
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 18:19
Liechtenstein OTOH could easily be categorized as being somehow evil, a tiny island of autocracy in Europe that has supported money laundering, organized crime and international narco trade in the past - it's about time to free our European brothers from the oppression of Hans Adam II ! I think they have a defence treaty with Switzerland, though, so the first task would be to isolate both countries from each other ; ) . |
Posted By: Teup
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 18:21
I voted 4. I am perfectly aware of the fact that being patriotic is pointless and irrational, but so is eating chocolate  I just am, for fun. And I like it when others are about their countries as well. And I love chocolate!------------- Whatever you do, don't |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 18:26
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There is a difference between nationalism and chocolate.
Chocolate tastes good, while nationalism tastes bad. If it's in the
form of oranjevla that is.
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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 18:31
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I voted very patriotic for my country the USA but to be extremely patriotic would be to support everything my government does. It is an institution run by man and all manmade institutions are vurnable to corruption in some way.
Now, for Greece I am mildly patriotic- I love Greece!!!  
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Posted By: Teup
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 18:48
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There's a difference between being patriotic on a forum now and then for fun and go out and purify your race or something ------------- Whatever you do, don't |
And if people weren't being patriotic, differences between cultures would be far less obvious to me at least..Posted By: RED GUARD
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 19:11
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Considering my avatar, I don't think you guys need to be told...
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Posted By: Teup
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 19:35
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Teup had another "I can tell what the post is by the poster's name" moment ------------- Whatever you do, don't |
Posted By: Thegeneral
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 19:42
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Liechtenstein OTOH could easily be categorized as being somehow evil, a tiny island of autocracy in Europe that has supported money laundering, organized crime and international narco trade in the past - it's about time to free our European brothers from the oppression of Hans Adam II ! I think they have a defence treaty with Switzerland, though, so the first task would be to isolate both countries from each other ; ) . [/QUOTE] I love how you have already planned out t he next reich to last a 1000 years
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[/QUOTE] Bah, Luxemburg is part of NATO, no chance to conquer them if you can't get them to look like the actual aggressor.Posted By: dark_one
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 19:51
| I voted 8. Because I disagree with the government a little. |
Posted By: yan.
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 20:07
Reuniting all the other break-away parts of the regnum teutoniae and the franconian empire can only follow after we have liberated our ethnic brothers from feudal oppression. |
Posted By: Thegeneral
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 21:07
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I would have no problems with you reuniting all of German again and it lasting 1000 years, but I doubt that that UN would like it. But America screwed them, why can't Germany? Oh, because for the very first time in German history, the Germans agree with the French.... scary thought actually! -------------
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Posted By: Belisarius
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2005 at 23:43
This is quite frankly one of the wisest things I have ever read. Exarchus, I commend you. This should be in a quotebook. I am also a 5, for the same reason as Exarchus. |
Posted By: Gazi
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 08:16
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I love my country but patriotism is a way to facism and the facists in Turkey have killed many people in the late 70s and early 80s.So I'd say 5. ------------- Freedom is the recognition of necessity.-Friedrich Engels |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 14:19
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The government is for the country (state), and the country exists for the nation, so it is difficult to decide on your level of patriotism, without judging the current conditions btw these three elements. ------------- |
Posted By: Kuu-ukko
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 15:12
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I voted 6, although I mean the culture, people and history of the area where a state is not, i.e. I don't like the state necesserally (woteva....)
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 16:56
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voted 2, but of course i'm very nationalistic, it's just that my country is not independend at the moment. ok, i'm not nationalistic, but heck, I was born here and spend all my youth here, even if I would move and live in another country (which is my plan), i would still have feeligns for this place.
and btw, Liechtenstein was for a long time part of Austria. ------------- |
Posted By: yan.
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 17:00
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Now that we have taken over the Vatican, the re-installation of the Holy Roman Empire seems to become a viable alternative, though. |
Posted By: yan.
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 17:03
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Posted By: Thegeneral
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 18:32
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Oh yeah, now y ou have the Pope to help you with the epborate plan of yours! -------------
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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2005 at 22:13
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perhaps you are right and I should revise my numbers. When it comes to Americas core principles of freedom, individualism and secular small governemtn controll, yes I love that, I love being from a nation that was so expertly planned and created fromt he ground up. But now things are almsot the total opposite of that. I think just because your born somewhere doesnt mean you have to love that place. America once pioneered human political rights, now it holds them back, so I guess I am patriotic of the level 9 when it comes to American history especially at the beggining, but now I think countries like the Netherlands and others are the real social and political rights and right now I would be mor inclined to be patriotc for them than my own country. Must learn Dutch....must move to a place that really values freedom and doesnt just batter it around as a word to justify things that are the antithesis of freedom. ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2005 at 22:21
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Tobodai,
I learned to love America by learning its history. I support the spirit of the American nation, who has always been progressing towards more liberties and equality to more and more of its inhabitants. There are plenty of setbacks, but the trend has been towards a purer fulfillment of the ideals of the founding fathers. Today this trend appears to be reversing, but I hope that it is another hurdle on the road, just like the McArthy era was in the late 1940 and early 1950s. ------------- |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2005 at 18:32
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I'm going to go with Temujin on this one, unfortunately unless nuclear war occurs in the US we aren't going to switch to city-states anytime soon.
Well he is german.... (I meant that he fits in the scenario not that old Fritz is an inherent warmongering nation- anymore
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.)Posted By: Herodotus
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2005 at 19:19
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I do not owe any special, artificial allegiance to my nationn nor does anyone else. It is the choice of every citizen. For now, I support my nation in most respects, but there is no reason that I must agree with everything it does. On the contrary, it is my duty as an american to speak out against tryanny, and my duty (in my opinion) as a human being to disallow the negation of my freedom. ------------- "Dieu est un comdien jouant une assistance trop effraye de rire." "God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." -Francois Marie Arouet, Voltaire |
Posted By: Jhangora
Date Posted: 24-Oct-2005 at 09:51
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9 here. -------------  Jai Badri Vishal
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 24-Oct-2005 at 19:12
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My selection... NO 6 - PATRIOTIC I love my country.. love the integration among different ethnics.. The Cultures ...The food.... The people... The government (well till now..lol Proud to be Malaysian.... Keranamu... Viva Malaysia... ------------- |
Posted By: Kynsi
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 14:06
Same here about 5.8 Meaning I dont agree with the government so much but support the finnish culture, nature and history much. For example if I see a collection for the veterans I will definetly donate if I have money on me. I think most of us Finns are patriotic in this way.. respecting more the people than the state. And thats the way it shoud be  ------------- If you keep one eye on the past then you are blind in one eye, but if you forget the past then you are blind in both eyes -old russian saying |
Posted By: Ahmed The Fighter
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 14:09
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I am very Patriotic. I love my country so much. ------------- "May the eyes of cowards never sleep" Khalid Bin Walid 
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Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 14:22
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For Albania where i was born i would probably give it a 3 . For America
I would give it a 2 because Americans: dont really play soccer(the
reason why im one point up for Albania), Bush, money mentality,
religious fundamentalism, extreme individualism etc etc. The other main reason why Im not patriotic is because nations are really nothing at all to me. Just groups of people who get deluded as little boys and girls into believing that they share a common heritage when its pretty clear that people have been mixing with each other for many millenia. ------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: El Cid
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 19:09
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I am very patriotic. I love my country and I love what I am. I love the envirorment, the culture, the language, everything. I don't love so much my government, but what to do? Just try to change their mind. And try. And keep trying. ------------- The spanish are coming! 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 29-Oct-2005 at 13:23
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I voted 7 for a few reasons: 1. I dislike croatian government- they are all a bunch of corruptied, weak and impotent old fools 2. I am a Croat and nobody can make me think differently 3. Croatia is not some great evil superforce that seeks to enslave and rule all others so I can be patriotic without being a threat to anybody(well, perhaps to Slovenia but they had it coming |
Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 13-Nov-2005 at 02:40
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i vote 6 ,cause there's nothing like ICELAND in the world. Except Greece ,cause it has more interessting beaches than we have. &nbs p;  ------------- 
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Posted By: demon
Date Posted: 13-Nov-2005 at 03:31
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I chose 5 because I don't want to be patriotic in a government who fosters nationalism while they drink money. Like the worthless pile of shiz they call government in S.K. right now...thye are just taxing the rich and giving nothing to the poor. I mean, how ****ed up is that? **** those ***********s! Shoot them! ------------- Grrr.. |
Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: 13-Nov-2005 at 06:01
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Well, I like my country but I wouldn't say I'm a patriot. Other values stand above my country - my family, my friends, my freedmon and well-being, my religion, and so on.
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Posted By: Cezar
Date Posted: 14-Nov-2005 at 12:58
Well I vote 9, and I agree with on both 1 and 2 (for Romania of course). As for no.3 I think the next target of Romania's imperialist policy is New Zealand (or Antarctica, nobody seems to really want that place anyway What's wrong in being a patriot as long as you make it up with everybody else? |
Posted By: Richard XIII
Date Posted: 16-Nov-2005 at 02:40
5. Next Romanian's target is both Antartica and Artica, we need some vital space ------------- "I want to know God's thoughts... ...the rest are details." Albert Einstein |