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The world that didn't domesticate the horse.

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Topic: The world that didn't domesticate the horse.
Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Subject: The world that didn't domesticate the horse.
Date Posted: 12-May-2011 at 19:03
Had the horse not been domesticated, how do you believe the world would have developed through the ages, and turned out now?

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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 12-May-2011 at 19:56
A better question might well be, just how did the horse become extinct in the Americas?

All things considered it is a highly survivable animal. Did the early native americans eat them all?

But, for the rest of the world, its expansion would have been slowed considerably if only oxen, dogs, goats and camels provided the horse power.

Ok, OK, I admit it, sometimes in some places, maybe the lemmings could have been harnesed?

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Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 13-May-2011 at 12:12
On the acient american horse:
http://www.thecloudfoundation.org/index.php/news-events-a-media/news/articles/520-new-evidence-rewrites-time-for-american-horse-extinction - http://www.thecloudfoundation.org/index.php/news-events-a-media/news/articles/520-new-evidence-rewrites-time-for-american-horse-extinction


Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 13-May-2011 at 12:32
The Arabs with their camels would conquer Europe and Asia

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Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 13-May-2011 at 13:04
Originally posted by Nick1986

The Arabs with their camels would conquer Europe and Asia
Or perhaps Turkic peoples with their cold weather camels.   Come to think of it, the camel seems to be the only other animal that can substitute for horses in the areas of strength, speed and versatility.  


Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 13-May-2011 at 13:27
Originally posted by Cryptic

Originally posted by Nick1986

The Arabs with their camels would conquer Europe and Asia
Or perhaps Turkic peoples with their cold weather camels.   Come to think of it, the camel seems to be the only other animal that can substitute for horses in the areas of strength, speed and versatility.  
 
 
 
I'm sitting here conjuring visions of Churchill Downs on Derby DayLOL Silks, Jockeys the works, and Camels?  The sight leaving the gates just doesn't work.Big smile  And a mud track? Ugly, real ugly.


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Posted By: Toltec
Date Posted: 13-May-2011 at 13:45
Originally posted by Cryptic

Come to think of it, the camel seems to be the only other animal that can substitute for horses in the areas of strength, speed and versatility.  
 
Elephants may give them a run for their moneyor even buffalo
 
check out these vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjW3-Jq2L3I - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjW3-Jq2L3I
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op0nWqqcXDw&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_109125 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op0nWqqcXDw&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_109125


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Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 13-May-2011 at 16:39
Originally posted by Toltec

Elephants may give them a run for their moneyor even buffalo

Tamerlane certainly knew how to scare the living daylights out of elephant, warm up the camels and let them chase the elephants. LOL


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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 13-May-2011 at 17:35
Dear uncle fred!

The site you gave, was great, but as far as I read, it does not explain the demise of the horse in America, but what is not said, might well explain it?

It just had to be the result of Native Americans hunting them to death!

But, perhaps I could be wrong?

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Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 13-May-2011 at 17:50
Originally posted by opuslola

Dear uncle fred!

The site you gave, was great, but as far as I read, it does not explain the demise of the horse in America, but what is not said, might well explain it?

It just had to be the result of Native Americans hunting them to death!

But, perhaps I could be wrong?

Regards,

I've just this, and thought you might be interested:  http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/features/extinction-176.shtml - http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/features/extinction-176.shtml


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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 13-May-2011 at 20:52
A good post AlanDragon....! A lot of possibilities there.

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Posted By: Baal Melqart
Date Posted: 14-May-2011 at 15:09
Originally posted by Toltec

Originally posted by Cryptic

Come to think of it, the camel seems to be the only other animal that can substitute for horses in the areas of strength, speed and versatility.  
 
Elephants may give them a run for their moneyor even buffalo
 
check out these vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjW3-Jq2L3I - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjW3-Jq2L3I
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op0nWqqcXDw&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_109125 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op0nWqqcXDw&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_109125


Elephants are cowards, just look at how they performed with the Carthaginians, they are literally a ticking time bomb. I'm not sure buffalos can be manoeuvred very well, but they would be devastating if they are used to charge headlong on the enemy.

 What about ostriches? They are very light on their feet. They can even drag a chariot behind them!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ese36G5LC-U - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ese36G5LC-U


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Posted By: Arab
Date Posted: 14-May-2011 at 15:44
Originally posted by Baal Melqart

Originally posted by Toltec

Originally posted by Cryptic

Come to think of it, the camel seems to be the only other animal that can substitute for horses in the areas of strength, speed and versatility.  
 
Elephants may give them a run for their moneyor even buffalo
 
check out these vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjW3-Jq2L3I - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjW3-Jq2L3I
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op0nWqqcXDw&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_109125 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op0nWqqcXDw&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_109125


Elephants are cowards, just look at how they performed with the Carthaginians, they are literally a ticking time bomb. I'm not sure buffalos can be manoeuvred very well, but they would be devastating if they are used to charge headlong on the enemy.

 What about ostriches? They are very light on their feet. They can even drag a chariot behind them!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ese36G5LC-U - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ese36G5LC-U
 
I agree, elephants are very unpredictable, and are easily spooked. An elephant in the middle of a chaotic battle would just panic and retreat, causing injuries and losses on either side. Their sheer size however would greatly demoralize enemy troops.
 
Not sure about ostriches, they seem to get easily frightened, and are not exactly the smartest animals out there.


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