Western Dragon vs. Eastern Dragon
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Category: Regional History or Period History
Forum Name: East Asia
Forum Discription: The Far East: China, Korea, Japan and other nearby civilizations
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Topic: Western Dragon vs. Eastern Dragon
Posted By: Jackbarton
Subject: Western Dragon vs. Eastern Dragon
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2011 at 04:51
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Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2011 at 14:00
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The Chinese Dragon is the most interesting to me. It resembles the Mexican Feathered Serpent of Maya and Toltec origen.
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2011 at 21:09
| Perhaps the different portrayals of dragons were the result of the Eastern and Western civilisations discovering dinosaur bones. The evil Western dragon bears a fanciful resemblance to carnivores like Megalosaurus or T. Rex and the larger pterosaurs, while the benevolent snakelike Eastern dragon could be harmless herbivore like a sauropod or iguanadon |
Posted By: Danny.T
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2011 at 02:33
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The Chinese dragons are not all that gentle but somehow own the awe inspiring qualities as they are also symbols of authoritarian Chinese emperors. Some Chinese scholars think that Chinese dragons originated from lightning strikes symbolically with the roaring sound of "loong" which is the same sound of the Chinese character of "dragon". Dragon became totem of Chinese culture (agrarian culture) as the dragons (thunders and lightnings) showed up in spring time , the people started to grow crops. The various features of a Chinese dragon like deer horns, eagle claws, pigs nose, fish tail etc. were said to be from totems of various tribes before converging to form a dragon - a non-existent creature , a totem for all Chinese tribes. ------------- "A little knowledge is a very dangerous thing." |
Posted By: Danny.T
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2011 at 02:45
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The Mexican Feathered serpent of Maya and Toltec orgin might have been came from Asia as dragon symbol of China can be traced back in history for about 5500 to 6000 years ago approximately. ------------- "A little knowledge is a very dangerous thing." |
Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2011 at 12:14
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Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2011 at 12:15
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2011 at 13:10
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Biggest ancient civilization of Egypt had had Snake God.It's equivalent was worshiped all around Med sea. Their enemies were very ferocious,snake and goat/bull were created symbols of devil's mind in religions after that.Now we know this was act of revenge.Here you have more for Renenutet: http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/renenutet.html - http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/renenutet.html |
Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2011 at 11:31
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The Minoans also practiced a form pf Snake worship or cultish activity, not much is known at this point. http://www.pantheon.org/articles/m/minoan_snake_goddess.html - http://www.pantheon.org/articles/m/minoan_snake_goddess.html  |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2011 at 11:37
Hey, I think I dated her once!  ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2011 at 11:38
| I believe Great Mother got blades in her hands!Still haven't found good statue that has been represented her. |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2011 at 13:31
Highly likely. The Moche may have found the bones of a plesiosaur which was carnivorous and lived in the water |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2011 at 14:47
The Greeks are actually thought of as the first paleontologists.
http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/fossil-ancient-greeks-mammal-110331.html - http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/fossil-ancient-greeks-mammal-110331.html
------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2011 at 15:16
| Red,has it been seen statue of goddess with blade(s) in her hands and fire,sun,water,moon.sun etc. symbols in her hair,by you till now?Jar above has only one hole?If there was no another than water could not be poured out and in! |
Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2011 at 15:26
My ancestors,Minoans  ,cause I am Minov,were also with script still has not been deciphered till now.
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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2011 at 15:58
I'm not inferring anything, or implying anything at all when I say, look up the very early pottery of the Southwest Indian Cultures of the US. Also some MesoAmerican pottery. Then, on a casual basis, compare those with that of the Minoan and Mycenaean cultures. Just an idea.
But keeping in mind that my Degrees are in Ceramics.------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 25-Dec-2011 at 12:31
Guess what? I love the dragon very much. 
------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 26-Dec-2011 at 03:57
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In the Persian mythology, dragons are almost the same as the western dragons, almost all Persian heroes have killed a dragon to be known as a hero, the most famous dragon was killed by the great Persian hero Esfandiar, he killed the dragon and then bathed in the dragon's blood, which touched all of his body except his eyes which were closed, so he became invulnerable except for his eyes.
It is interesting to read it: http://www.amordaden.blogfa.com/post-735.aspx - http://www.amordaden.blogfa.com/post-735.aspx
A spring from which dragon’s blood flows
There is a spring in Ilam which is unlike all other springs that you have seen or heard of. It is not a spring of water. Instead, tar flows from this spring. The local people say that from this spring dragon’s blood is flowing, the dragon which was killed in the war with the legendary hero of Iran: Esfandiar Roointan. (Roointan means invulnerable) ------------- 
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Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 26-Dec-2011 at 11:52
------------- What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture. |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 26-Dec-2011 at 13:27
What about Germanic hero Sigurd (Siegfried)? We should search for some differences, not similarites! -------------
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 26-Dec-2011 at 21:31
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It does sound a lot like the Siegfried story. After bathing in dragon's blood our hero became impervious to weapons, but a leaf landed on his back. This left a weak spot which his enemy Hagen was able to pierce with his sword ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 29-Dec-2011 at 05:50
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It interesting to know that, as you read here about the word for dragon in Germanic mythology: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_dragon - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_dragon , the Old English word for dragon was wyrm which means "worm", the same thing has happened in Persian, the Old Persian word for dragon was kyrm but in the modern Persian it means "worm". You can read the story about the Persian draon here: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/haftvad-haftwad - http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/haftvad-haftwad
In the city of Kojārān on the coast of the Persian Gulf, there lived a man of meager means who “was called Haftvād because he had seven (haft) sons” (p. 140 v. 510). He also had a daughter who went daily to the field with other women to gather cotton and spin it at home into yarn. One day she found a worm in an apple and, taking it as a sign of good fortune, placed it inside her distaff case. On that day she was able to spin a double quantity. She nurtured that “auspicious worm” (kerm-e farroḵ) at home and it turned into a mighty creature, black with golden spots. By the worm’s fortune the family grew wealthy and influential until Haftvād was able to kill the ruler of Kojārān and assume royal power. He built a fort on a nearby hill, transferred the worm there, and nurtured it with milk and rice until it grew into a giant “with horns and mane” (bā šāḵ o yāl; p. 143, v. 566). Haftvād’s power grew daily. He founded (the city of) Kermān, which he named after that worm (kerm, p. 143 v. 567), and with an army of 10,000 men, led by his sons he gained mastery over the whole region.
The belief that a worm can transform into a dragon is found elsewhere (e.g., in Irish and Scandinavian mythology; see Thompson, B11. 13.1; B11. 1.3.1.1). Indeed in Sogdian the word for dragon is kyrm (Henning, 1940, pp. 21-22), while Ossetic has kalm for “snake” (Morgenstierne, p. 24).
The similarity of the legend of Haftvād’s daughter with the Scandinavian story of princess Thora as told by the Danish historian Saxo Grammaticus (d. 1220) has long been recognized (Liebrecht, p. 65-67; Darmesteter, p. 83; Christensen, 1941, p. 59). Herodd, king of Sweden, commanded his daughter Thora “to rear a race of adders with her maiden hands,” and they grew so large that they menaced the community. Prince Ragnar Lodbrog killed them and married Thora. In another version, the Saga of King Ragnar Lodbrog, Thora “kept a snake in a box, with gold under him. The snake grew until it encircled the whole room, and the gold grew with his growth” (Welsford, pp. 419-20). -------------
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