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Topic: Hawaiian history/religion/mythology
Posted By: Candleberry
Subject: Hawaiian history/religion/mythology
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2011 at 12:46
Anyone who knows about, or knows where i can find information on the "Medallion of Havaiti Nui"? The only information i found online was at the site www.hawaiianprophecies.com.

http://hawaiianprophecies.com/?p=1 -




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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 19-Apr-2011 at 16:53
Here's a blog link. Can't say it's usefulness.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1225409/pg1 - http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1225409/pg1


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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman


Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'



Posted By: Candleberry
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2011 at 21:12
It is info copied from www.hawaiianprophecies.com, but thank you :)


Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2011 at 21:37
According to Robert D. Craig Havaiti Nui was the mythical homeland of the Hawaiians and Maori. Polynesians believe the gods still live there and their ancestors' spirits return there after they die
%20http://books.google.com/books?id=LOZuirJWXvUC&lpg=PA131&dq=havaiki%20nui&pg=PA131#v=onepage&q&f=false - Handbook of Polynesian mythology


Posted By: Candleberry
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2011 at 17:19
Originally posted by Nick1986

According to Robert D. Craig Havaiti Nui was the mythical homeland of the Hawaiians and Maori. Polynesians believe the gods still live there and their ancestors' spirits return there after they die
%20http://books.google.com/books?id=LOZuirJWXvUC&lpg=PA131&dq=havaiki%20nui&pg=PA131#v=onepage&q&f=false - Handbook of Polynesian mythology


Thank you! :)


Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2011 at 20:29
You might find these useful.
 
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/18450 - http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/18450
 
http://www.sacred-texts.com/pac/hm/index.htm - http://www.sacred-texts.com/pac/hm/index.htm


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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman


Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'



Posted By: Sander
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2011 at 22:35

There are some problems with that Havaiti Nui medallion story.

Havaiti Nui sounds un-Hawaiian. One thing is that the  Hawaiian language has lost the letter ‘t’ a long time ago (since at least the 1700’s). One can check any Hawaiian text without finding any ‘t’ in it ( unless in foreign words) 

The ‘t’ in Polynesian languages became ‘k’ in Hawaiian or is omitted. To give some examples : The Polynesian god Tane is called Kane on Hawaii. The Polynesian word  tabu (taboo) is kapu in Hawaiian.

Many Polynesians from other island groups refer to an earlier homeland as Hawaiki, Havaii etc. (this may or may not refer to the familair Hawaii) but the  Hawaiians are an exception. As good as all known traditions ( including the oldest documented ones) speak of Kahiki (pronounced Tahiti in most other Polynesian languages) as an earlier homeland. 

 

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Posted By: Candleberry
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2011 at 03:46
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

You might find these useful.
 
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/18450 - http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/18450
 
http://www.sacred-texts.com/pac/hm/index.htm - http://www.sacred-texts.com/pac/hm/index.htm


Yes thank you very much! :)


Posted By: Candleberry
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2011 at 03:51
Originally posted by Sander

There are some problems with that Havaiti Nui medallion story.

Havaiti Nui sounds un-Hawaiian. One thing is that the  Hawaiian language has lost the letter ‘t’ a long time ago (since at least the 1700’s). One can check any Hawaiian text without finding any ‘t’ in it ( unless in foreign words) 

The ‘t’ in Polynesian languages became ‘k’ in Hawaiian or is omitted. To give some examples : The Polynesian god Tane is called Kane on Hawaii. The Polynesian word  tabu (taboo) is kapu in Hawaiian.

Many Polynesians from other island groups refer to an earlier homeland as Hawaiki, Havaii etc. (this may or may not refer to the familair Hawaii) but the  Hawaiians are an exception. As good as all known traditions ( including the oldest documented ones) speak of Kahiki (pronounced Tahiti in most other Polynesian languages) as an earlier homeland.


 

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But might this medallion still exist? Even if its called Havaiti/Hawaii/Kahiki?


Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2011 at 10:04
Havaiti Nui isn't Hawaiian, it may not be Polynesian but a holdover from a much older language.  The ancient name for Easter Island is Rapa Nui.

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Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2011 at 13:23
Agreed.


Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2011 at 17:05
Not my fortay men but you might find this article interesting.
 

Has the mystery of Easter Island finally been solved?

 
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/has-the-mystery-of-easter-island-finally-been-solved-2274075.html - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/has-the-mystery-of-easter-island-finally-been-solved-2274075.html


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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

S. T. Friedman


Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'



Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2011 at 20:24
Originally posted by Nick1986

According to Robert D. Craig Havaiti Nui was the mythical homeland of the Hawaiians and Maori. Polynesians believe the gods still live there and their ancestors' spirits return there after they die
%20http://books.google.com/books?id=LOZuirJWXvUC&lpg=PA131&dq=havaiki%20nui&pg=PA131#v=onepage&q&f=false - Handbook of Polynesian mythology

Links still aren't working properly


Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2011 at 08:17
The link works fine.  There is a server error, not the fault of the program.  It's been happening once in awhile since the host changed platforms.
 
 


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"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.


Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2011 at 08:24
Was Nul,Sun god symbol?


Posted By: Sander
Date Posted: 08-Jul-2011 at 05:58

After rethinking, one letter diffference should not matter that much.  Secondly,  I recently read that a few Hawaiian groups still had the ‘t’  this century. So, that name Havaiti Nui is not problematic.

 
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