Who listens more to prayer, Satan or God?
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Topic: Who listens more to prayer, Satan or God?
Posted By: hugoestr
Subject: Who listens more to prayer, Satan or God?
Date Posted: 11-Apr-2005 at 22:17
Inspired by a post in the "What religion are you?" thread. (Great point, Paul  )
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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 11-Apr-2005 at 23:09
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neither exists, though Satan seems more in touch with reality so if they did exist he would probably listen. ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
Posted By: Capt. Lubber
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2005 at 00:42
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'Niether' exists, but according to all the myths, it seems as if satan is generally more interested in us.. ------------- Loke, Attila, the grete conqueror, Deyde in his sleep, with shame and dishonour, Bleedinge ay at the nose in dronkenesse, A captayin shoulde live in sobrenesse |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2005 at 08:13
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They both listen as much to prayers as I do: not
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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2005 at 08:13
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Niether. Prayer is an early basic form of meditation, indeed, some
monks/nuns (and their equivilents in otehr religions) used (and still
use) extended uninterupted prayer for just that.
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Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2005 at 08:26
http://19.org/km/PM/10/89 - 10:89 He said: "I have answered your prayer, so keep straight and do not follow the path of those who do not know."
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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2005 at 09:47
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Cool, Seko! Thanks for the link. It is nice to see another sacred text for a change.
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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2005 at 11:07
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According to the Satanic bible Satan is good and it was he that created the world. Then God who is really the evil one came along and decieved man into believing the opposite and told man to do all sort of attrocities in his name. ------------- Light blue touch paper and stand well back http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk - http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk - http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2005 at 13:12
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God listens to Prayer. Satan only cares about himself, that is why he was banished from heaven. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Jalisco Lancer
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2005 at 14:24
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Prays are a requested brought to the attention of God. The human being is free to take any path that he wants, to face situations accordingly with his capabilities and morality. However, prays can give relief during darker hours, because it's a request from a child to his Father. My Father was raised on the mexican country side during 1920's and 1940's. I recall one time he was pointing out the importance to pray to say thanks to God. He used an example. He said: " Have ever fed a Pig ? No ?, well, then let me you what is the first thing that a Pig will do. It will give you a look before start eating. Therefore, if even a Pig will look at you to recognize or thank you for the food, then, we as persons should be more gratefull with God and thank Him for everything". |
Posted By: Vamun Tianshu
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2005 at 17:03
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Well,Paul,you have a point.In the religion of Christianity,those people who fought under the name of god really have done more atrocities than people in the name of the devil.I believe in neither of them,and I say neither.God surely isn't doing those people in the Southeast Asia Region any good,and Satan has ceased to exist,only in the human mind of "sin" and destruction.I say neither. ------------- 
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Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 08:24
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From a believer's point of view: God, obviously. The believers seek refuge and guidance in Him. All prayers and worship acts are directed to Him only and only He has the power to answer them. Îblis is just a creation from God, whatever may be the perception you have of it. ------------- An nescite quantilla sapientia mundus regatur? |
Posted By: oTToMAn_TurK
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 10:19
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When a person prays, he is definately getting closer to God, not satan. satan would do anything in his power to prevent u to pray to God or, hehe hate to say but, make u deny God totally which u guys are doing, LOL so if u listen to Satan its simple forget about God, but if u want to get closer to God then u must pray coz tahts the onli way, wether ur a christn muslim, jew watever. prayer is teh key and God listens to it, not satan. ------------- Either your a slave to what MADE-MAN Or your a slave to what MAN-MADE |
Posted By: çok geç
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 10:27
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Sometimes, God's greatest gift, is an unanswered prayer. ------------- D.J. Kaufman Wisdom is the reward for a lifetime of listening ... when youd have preferred to talk. |
Posted By: AlbinoAlien
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 10:44
so what this bible is saying is that basically satan is god and god is satan? so then whats the difference? im sure satanic churches pray to satan as well. also, i think instead of niether of them listening, or just one of them listening, i think instead that both of them are listening to us. ------------- people are the emotions of other people (im not albino..or pale!) .....or an alien.. |
Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 10:49
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I just think many people tend to overemphasize Satan. Satan was created, he didn't create anything. He is one of God's creations, not otherwise. ------------- An nescite quantilla sapientia mundus regatur? |
Posted By: morticia
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 11:02
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Neither exists. God and Satan are religious perceptions of "good" and "evil". (IMO)
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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 11:41
Neither exists. Mari is the true and only Godess. 
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Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 12:29
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So you say! For believers, everything comes from God. Humans can appreciate the good from God and become aware of the bad from within. We reap what we sow. The notion of responsibility has such consequences. I assume by saying neither exists you may mean so as real entities. That is an opinion you have given us with very little backing of your own to go on though. Even if you only look at them as perceptions, they still exist. Hence your connection of them equaling good and bad. ------------- |
Posted By: morticia
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 15:11
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Seko Wrote: "That is an opinion you have given us..."
That is correct, Seko. It is my opinion and I apologize for not having emphasized that in my post. Thank you for bring it up! ------------- "Morty Trust in God: She will provide." -- Emmeline Pankhurst |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2005 at 15:28
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assuming they do exist, then satan since most people's prayers are selfish.. he answers the prayers of the corrupt and greedy, get's them off the hook but int he end they will pay the ultimate price! eternity in hellfiiiiire
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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 19-Nov-2005 at 02:10
Or percieve evil in God and good within. That's pretty more common. Anyhow, from a theological or philosophical approach. Within is as godly as God... so where is the diference? -------------
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Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 19-Nov-2005 at 10:35
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Though everything comes from God, people tend to take credit for themselves for the good and blame anyone or anything they can for the bad. ------------- |
Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: 19-Nov-2005 at 11:10
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In the traditional religious monotheistic view, Satan stands for evil as God stands for good. I couldn't disagree more. First, (I am speeking as a believer), God created everything, be it good or bad. That includes Satan or Îblis. Now, you could view this in many ways but I opt to be as more rational as possible. Satan stands for all that a human being can do wrong, but the human being has always the power to revert the situation. One can always consciously chose his/her way. That's the whole point. If not, there wouldn't be any point in a Judgement after life. All God's scriptures are also a product of their time (including the Qur'an to me). This may sound haeretical and some muslims could call me a kafir, but I think we must consider both the time and the culture where the Scripture was revealed - I'm not denying the Scripture. I believe in the Qur'an! Many stuff is alegorical and many stuff can be re-interpreted and re-translated. ------------- An nescite quantilla sapientia mundus regatur? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19-Nov-2005 at 11:21
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As a muslim i believe strongly in Allah SWT.. whtever good come from HIM...and whtever bad is from my own weaknesses.. wallahualam... ------------- |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 19-Nov-2005 at 12:52
Or vice versa  While I don't value greed and vanity, I don't appreciate self-mortification either. Good and bad, both, either come from God or from us. Personally I think that the diference between good and bad is overemphasized (manicheism) and that those two concepts are basically individually or socialy subjective. Individually, what harms me is bad and what benefits me is good. There's no absolute divide between both as what is benefic in a one case can be mortal in another. There's no poison, only dose. Socially what harms the society as a whole is bad and what benefits it is good. Sometimes the social good is opposite to the individual one and vice versa. In many cases though both are convergent, at least if society and individuals have a good symbiosis. In any case there's a big deal of subjective judgement in that division that is in the end mostly arbitrary. For instance I have decided (my ethics) that goodness is a compound of freedom, truth and social justice, yet for others my values can be evil or just it is very dificult to decide when some practical case fits or doesn't inside such values. World is not black and white but multicolor. -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19-Nov-2005 at 15:16
This is one of the things I dislike most in Abrahamic religions. Not only is it logically impossible (how can there be evil when God is bothomnipotent and omnibenevolent?) but I also stongly dislike this kind of self-humiliating from a moral point of view. ------------- |
Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: 19-Nov-2005 at 15:27
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Both good and bad potentially exist in every human being. Humans can chose either way throughout their lives, some times interchangeably. God created all, but He told us what kind of behaviour expects from us. So, it is up for man to chose his way. God will judge in the end. ------------- An nescite quantilla sapientia mundus regatur? |
Posted By: Illuminati
Date Posted: 19-Nov-2005 at 15:44
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IMO, God and Satan were just created by people who wanted an
explanation for the events in their world. Religion is just an attempt
at expalining what at the time is unexplainable. Science later comes
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Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: 19-Nov-2005 at 16:07
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There are things that science can't explain (And I'm certain it will explain more in the future) - the meaning of life, of existence, the origins of the universe, why do we even exist, and so on. Science is observable real truth. It is not contrary to the notions of God. ------------- An nescite quantilla sapientia mundus regatur? |