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Piri Reis map of America

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Forum Discription: The Americas: History from pre-Colombian times to the present
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Topic: Piri Reis map of America
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Subject: Piri Reis map of America
Date Posted: 06-May-2010 at 12:16

You probably know about this mysterious historical map drawn on gazelle skin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map

What do you think about it? Is it really possible that Piri Reis had access to a source from a very civilized undiscovered civilization?!

If I read correctly, that is "San Franjesto" or "San Francisco"?!!



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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 06-May-2010 at 14:17
The Piri Reis map is from 1513, San Fransisco wasnt founded til 1776, so unless he could predict the future, it cannot be that.


Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 06-May-2010 at 14:33
That is just similar to "San Fransisco", anyway the first part of the name of this city, and another one in the north of it, is certainly "San" (سان).


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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 06-May-2010 at 14:42
Just what does the encircled part of the map shown above depict? Does it say in Arabic "Saint Francis?", or "Santa Franco?"

I will assume that TGS desciphered it as such, althoug Cyrus did not?

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi

Thus St. Francis, aka Francisco, etc., pre existed the map!

I would also suggest that you look at this map also supposed to be one of the charts of Peri Reis!

%20 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Piri_Reis_map_of_Europe_and_the_Mediterranean_Sea.jpg

Please explain the "only" depictions of great cities or important places that are displayed upon this map?

Why no Rome, or Istanbul, or Alexandria, or Jerusalem, etc.?

Regards,

Perhaps someone, who understands the system could display the map?

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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 06-May-2010 at 14:45
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

That is just similar to "San Fransisco", anyway the first part of the name of this city, and another one in the north of it, is certainly "San" (سان).


Well, its not very clear what it says, although I agree with you, the first part does appear to be "San".

The map depicts the coast of Brazil, therefore it cannot be San Fransisco, unless the Portuguese had established a settlement there by that name.


Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 06-May-2010 at 14:53
TGS, I don't think that that would be too hard of a conjecture! Certainly famous Saints were oft used to name new places and in course to be placed under the protection of said saint!

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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 06-May-2010 at 15:23

The word "Port" (پورت) can be seen in the name of another city in this part of the map, these names all sound Spanish or Portuguese, I think this map was created at least 50 years after the Portuguese settlement in Brazil when these cities were built, probably in 17th century.



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Posted By: TheGreatSimba
Date Posted: 06-May-2010 at 15:40
The map is supposedly from 1513, the America's were discovered in 1492. All this map confirms is that the Portuguese explored the coast of Brazil a lot in the early 1500's


Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 06-May-2010 at 16:27
So, how about my Med. map? Have either of you taken the time to look closely at it?

I doubt it!

Or you might have seen what I saw?

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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 06-May-2010 at 22:05
Your link says File not found.

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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 07-May-2010 at 03:38
Sorry guys! I guess you will have to go into the Wiki file here;

%20 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map

And go down to the second map shown! Then expand it for a better look!

It seems there are only four cities of any type shown on the map. One appears on the East Bank of the Nile, another seems to be Venice, another seems to be Genoa, and the last might be one of the French coastal cities.

Please also note the "fleur de-lis" symbols on the map!

It just seems strange that only four cities are shown!

Regards,



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Posted By: Sander
Date Posted: 07-May-2010 at 05:51
Opuslola. Some way or the other you can make hyper links but they often say "file not found".  If you edit your post with that Med map  and  put your cursor directly after the last letter of the link and press the space key on your keyboard ( long key below the c, v,b, n, m ) it works.
 
 


Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 09-May-2010 at 18:31
Thanks Sander! Very weird?

By the way, do you think the map is somewhat confusing?

Just why, with the entire Med. to consider, did the map maker only find time to mark such few places?

And, why the "fleur de lis?" / "Fleur de Lys?"

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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 09-May-2010 at 18:37
Cyrus wrote;

"You probably know about this mysterious historical map drawn on gazelle skin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_map"

My question might well be; Just how does one determine that this map was drawn on a gazelle skin, rather than a normal goat or sheep skin?

Using gazelle certainly makes the entire thing more unbelievable!

Regards,

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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 17-May-2010 at 16:48
One might well mention this map, which is from about the same time;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/WrightMolyneux-ChartoftheWorld-c1599.jpg

Interestingly, eventhough N. and S. America are depicted in good detail, India does not seem to exist at all, unless it was a comglomeration of Islands?


Regards,

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Posted By: Tazjet
Date Posted: 22-May-2010 at 17:05
I note from the Piri Reis map that there are depictions of Spanish caravels aswell as arabian dhows co-existing. It almost suggests arabs explored the Atlantic in reverse of Portugese exploration into the Indian ocean. In other words from around the cape of Good Hope north into the Atlantic? 

Corsairs however roamed freely in the Atlantic from 9th-13th centuries. Why not across the Atlantic too?

This raises another question which is if such voyages were undertaken where are their records. Was it treated in such secrecy that no records were kept or were records subsequently destroyed in conflicts? 

 


Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 22-May-2010 at 19:14
A very nice "transet", "Tazjet!" Laugh!

Yes, just why is so much missing?

And, just why is so much of the Iberian (Spanish?) warrior or knight, or hired guns (Mercenaries), not very much mentioned in the same period?

For, example, what do any of you know about the "Catalan Company" or the "Navarresse Company?", etc.?

They were probably the best mercenaries money could buy for several centuries?

Do, any of you think there could be a relationship between the word "mercenary" and "Mercy?"

Regards,

Maybe I should have said "merci?" chuckle

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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 07-May-2019 at 14:55
Considering that Antarctica is shown sans ice, it's been assumed there was access to ancient maps from which a world map was cobbled together.

There are other maps, less well known, that show several large islands off the coasts of New England. These do not currently exist.

These maps are just a small example of the evidence for a lost global civilization, that's been compiled in the last 5 years.

Why do folks find it easier to credit "aliens" with anything advanced or complex.
Rather than investigate the possibility of a much older advanced "human" civilization.



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"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.


Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2019 at 15:01
Graham Hancock is the only researcher I'm aware of that is convinced of the existence of an unknown advanced civilization, lost in the darkness of the last ice age.

There is also the questions surrounding the Mt Toba eruptions ca 70,000 bce.
It's been known for some time that the human pop was reduced to less than 10,000, creating a genetic bottleneck.

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"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.



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