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Pedra Branca Dispute

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Category: Regional History or Period History
Forum Name: History of Oceania, South-East Asia and Pacific
Forum Discription: Discuss the history of SE Asia: Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore etc.
URL: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26647
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Topic: Pedra Branca Dispute
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Pedra Branca Dispute
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2009 at 12:57
It was started when Malaysia in 1979 published a map claiming the island where Singapore had made a formal protest on that. Pedra Branca means 'white stone' in Portuguese (refer wikipedia). Other name for the island is Pulau Batu Puteh. Singapore made an arguement that the island was terra nullius and no evidence it was under Johor Sultanate sovereignty.






On 23 May 2008, IJC ruled that the island is under Singapore sovereignty. Was it a right verdict?

source: Wikipedia.com








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Posted By: Voskhod
Date Posted: 03-Mar-2009 at 05:40
Here we go again - Asian countries squabbling over pieces of rock in the middle of the sea citing ambiguous, obscure maps.

If the rocks were part of the Sultanate of Johor Malaysia would have a valid historical claim, although according the info on wikipedia the maps produced by Malaysia after independence showed the islands as part of Singapore (and the lighthouse is also operated by Singapore). IMHO the rocks should just be ruled a tax-free international zone. (The floating markets of Pedra Branca?)


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07-Mar-2009 at 10:28
Seems a very good idea... floating markets.. sell what? fresh seafood?

I dont knw what is so important about the rock island.. anyone know?


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Posted By: Knights
Date Posted: 07-Mar-2009 at 11:02
I read a bit about the whole affair, and part of it seems completely silly. Taking the ownership question of the Lighthouse island to the International court of justice was petty enough - but the long-lasting dispute over 'Middle Rocks' and 'South Ledge' (the two random rocky outcrops in the sea) is just painful! Cahaya, I don't think they have any significance; past or present. 

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Posted By: Voskhod
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2009 at 04:45
Originally posted by cahaya

Seems a very good idea... floating markets.. sell what? fresh seafood?

I dont knw what is so important about the rock island.. anyone know?


Probably because of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_economic_zone - Exclusive Economic Zone .


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Posted By: Dacian
Date Posted: 22-Mar-2009 at 02:28
Originally posted by Knights

I read a bit about the whole affair, and part of it seems completely silly. Taking the ownership question of the Lighthouse island to the International court of justice was petty enough - but the long-lasting dispute over 'Middle Rocks' and 'South Ledge' (the two random rocky outcrops in the sea) is just painful! Cahaya, I don't think they have any significance; past or present. 



to be honest if I hear someone saying anything about the balkan disputes I'll point to this in a second :D
now how much revenue can the rights over this territory generate? any estimates?

other than that to go back to the judicial aspect...a ICJ decision is a ICJ decision...once made the rest is pretty much irrelevant

PS for an odd reason I can't stop smiling when I think about this whole issue


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22-Mar-2009 at 12:30
Originally posted by Dacian

Originally posted by Knights

I read a bit about the whole affair, and part of it seems completely silly. Taking the ownership question of the Lighthouse island to the International court of justice was petty enough - but the long-lasting dispute over 'Middle Rocks' and 'South Ledge' (the two random rocky outcrops in the sea) is just painful! Cahaya, I don't think they have any significance; past or present. 



to be honest if I hear someone saying anything about the balkan disputes I'll point to this in a second :D
now how much revenue can the rights over this territory generate? any estimates?

other than that to go back to the judicial aspect...a ICJ decision is a ICJ decision...once made the rest is pretty much irrelevant

PS for an odd reason I can't stop smiling when I think about this whole issue


U mean about the balkan territory or pedra branca?
So far pedra branca is more towards military advantages .. based on other forum discussion.Confused


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Posted By: Dacian
Date Posted: 22-Mar-2009 at 19:07
I just meant to say that everybody outside the balkans regards our balkanian territoral disputes as mostly childish if not outright stupid (which I tend to agree), but the now their "childishness" factor pales in comparison with the Pedra Blanca issue.

I never believed couple of rocks can generate a dispute but I guess the qulitative factor is much more important then the quantitative one.

By now means I am criticizing I am just putting things into perspective.

I hope that explains what I meant. Again no pun intended just looking at the issue in world context

EDIT: still to get back on the topic from the picture I cannot see what military advantage can that territory have. A communication tower that can be taken out with ease is the most I can make of it. Not to mention a couple of bombs can finish it completely.

From the economic pov I can ask if there is oil nearby, does the 200nm water radius applies for the owner of the island? (just looking at a paralel with the Snake Island in the Black Sea which generated a legal dispute between Romania and Ukraine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insula_serpilor



Posted By: snowybeagle
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2009 at 19:08
For Singapore, the sovereignity of that small island has a significant impact on the maritime waters sovereignity, thus assuring it of its rights of maritime passage to the South China sea.
 
That both Singapore and Malaysia managed to resolve the dispute peacefully without war should be held as an example of dispute resolution - after all the losses of lives in the Balkans, was the dispute resolved?  Could the Balkan dispute have been resolved without loss of lives in the first place?


Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 03-Jan-2014 at 13:16
I'm not sure what you guys are on about but Pedra Branca is a 2.5 ha rock or small island about 26 km south-south-east of South East Cape, Tasmania, in south-eastern Australia.



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