Pourpirar: "Slavic origin of Achaemenid Persians"
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Topic: Pourpirar: "Slavic origin of Achaemenid Persians"
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Subject: Pourpirar: "Slavic origin of Achaemenid Persians"
Date Posted: 04-Sep-2008 at 05:18
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http://wapedia.mobi/en/Nasser_Pourpirar - http://wapedia.mobi/en/Nasser_Pourpirar
Nasser Pourpirar, ( http://wapedia.mobi/en/Persian_language - Persian : ناصر پورپیرار) (Pen name: Naria,)(previous name: Naser Bana-Konanadeh), is an http://wapedia.mobi/en/Iran - Iranian http://www.tahapress.com/contentview.php?id=886 - [1] writer, http://wapedia.mobi/en/Historical_revisionism - revisionist , and http://wapedia.mobi/en/Conspiracy_theory - conspiracy theorist [1] . He is well known for his controversial theories questioning the academically recognized historiography of Iran from Achaemenids to the beginning of the Safavid period. [2] He is also an ardent http://wapedia.mobi/en/Antisemitism - anti-semite . Among his controversial positions, are his support for executed Iraqi leader, http://wapedia.mobi/en/Saddam_Hussein - Saddam Hussein and his support for http://wapedia.mobi/en/USA - American http://wapedia.mobi/en/Racist - racist activist, http://wapedia.mobi/en/David_Duke - David Duke . [3]
2. 1. His view on Iranian historyPourpirar's revisionism begins with the event of http://wapedia.mobi/en/Purim - Purim , recorded in the Biblical http://wapedia.mobi/en/Book_of_Esther - Book of Esther . He believes that that Purim was a genocide against http://wapedia.mobi/en/History_of_Iran#Iranian_history_before_the_Aryans - indigenous civilised Iranians committed by the Achaemenid Shah http://wapedia.mobi/en/Darius_I_of_Persia - Darius I and his Jewish allies. He claims that "after the great genocide committed by Jews in Purim, the land of Iran was completely wiped out of human beings until the beginning of Islam." [5] He considers http://wapedia.mobi/en/Behistun_Inscription - Behistun Inscription as a symbol of this genocide. http://www.naria.blogfa.com/86013.aspx - [2] . He claims that construction of http://wapedia.mobi/en/Persepolis - Persepolis was never finished http://naria.blogfa.com/post-52.aspx - [3] and the Achaemenid dynasty whom he considers as a group of ancient barbarian http://wapedia.mobi/en/Slavs - Slavic invaders ended with Darius the Great, after they returned to their homeland in Eurasian steppes. The rest of the Achaemenid, Parthian, Sassanid, Tahirid, Ghaznavid, Seljuqid, and Samanid dynasties according to Pourpirar were fabricated by historians of mostly Jewish background as part of a http://wapedia.mobi/en/Jewish_conspiracy - Jewish conspiracy . [6] According to Pourpirar a few historic sites which are said to be Parthian, are indeed either clearly related to Greeks or are modern forgery. He claims all inscriptions which are said to be Sassanid are modern forgeries. He also believes that historical personalities such as http://wapedia.mobi/en/Mazdak - Mazdak , http://wapedia.mobi/en/Mani - Mani , http://wapedia.mobi/en/Zoroaster - Zoroaster , http://wapedia.mobi/en/Babak - Babak , http://wapedia.mobi/en/Abu_Moslem - Abu Moslem , and http://wapedia.mobi/en/Salman_the_Persian - Salman the Persian were also invented by modern Jewish historians. [7] [8] Regarding reliability of Iranian dynasties he says: "So everyone should know that the builders of the false historical and social lies of the last two thousand years between Purim till the Safavids were the Jews. They wanted to hide their genocide and thus used lies by fabricating history." [9] ------------- 
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Posted By: Ninurta
Date Posted: 04-Sep-2008 at 05:31
| Well, I think that filled my Bullshit quota for the evening. |
Posted By: Sarmat
Date Posted: 04-Sep-2008 at 05:55
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Please move this nonsense to "Alternative history" since I can't do it myself. I also want to add that discussing such... I even can't find the proper term for this is not far from seriously discussing the "Protocols of the Sages of Zion." I'm sure that Mr. Pourpirar believes that the latter is an authentic document... ------------- Σαυρομάτης 
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Posted By: Slayertplsko
Date Posted: 04-Sep-2008 at 16:18
This clearly beats Saxon and Scythian thread and win's the capital prize! Thanks, Cyrus. ------------- A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it's not open. |
Posted By: Cent
Date Posted: 04-Sep-2008 at 17:58
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Why do you keep on creating these kind of topics? Are you trying to show us that Persians are white Europeans? If so, you are failing miserably. ------------- They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this. Abdul Rahman Qassemlou |
Posted By: Sarmat
Date Posted: 04-Sep-2008 at 18:12
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This is the information about David Duke, who is supported by Pourpirar.
David Ernest Duke (born http://wapedia.mobi/en/July_1 - July 1 , http://wapedia.mobi/en/1950 - 1950 ) is a former http://wapedia.mobi/en/Louisiana_House_of_Representatives - Louisiana State Representative , a candidate in presidential primaries for the http://wapedia.mobi/en/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29 - Democratic and http://wapedia.mobi/en/Republican_Party_%28United_States%29 - Republican parties, and former http://wapedia.mobi/en/Grand_Wizard - Grand Wizard of the Knights of the http://wapedia.mobi/en/Ku_Klux_Klan - Ku Klux Klan . [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Duke has been criticised as an http://wapedia.mobi/en/Antisemitism - Anti-Semite for various works he has authored on the subject of http://wapedia.mobi/en/Jew - Jewish plots for http://wapedia.mobi/en/World_domination - world domination , and as a http://wapedia.mobi/en/White_supremacist - white supremacist while Duke claims he is but a http://wapedia.mobi/en/White_nationalist - white nationalist . Duke denies being a racist and says he is a http://wapedia.mobi/en/Racial_realist - racial realist asserting "all people have a basic human right to preserve their own heritage." [8] He speaks in favor of http://wapedia.mobi/en/Racial_segregation - racial segregation and http://wapedia.mobi/en/White_separatism - white separatism . [9] [10] [11] David Duke has taught a course in History and International Relations at the Ukrainian Interregional Academy of Personnel Management (MAUP). Duke has also unsuccessfully ran for the http://wapedia.mobi/en/Louisiana_Senate - Louisiana Senate , http://wapedia.mobi/en/U.S._Senate - U.S. Senate , http://wapedia.mobi/en/U.S._House_of_Representatives - U.S. House of Representatives , http://wapedia.mobi/en/Governor_of_Louisiana - Governor of Louisiana and twice for http://wapedia.mobi/en/President_of_the_United_States - President of the United States . ------------- Σαυρομάτης
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 04-Sep-2008 at 18:26
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However it seems Pourpirar hates ancient Persians and Jews and I never support him but it is at least good that he dares to propound a new hypothesis about an ancient people, I don't know why when someone talks about these things, we immediately say "this is bullshit", "this is nonsense", ..., even before reading what he says! -------------
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Posted By: Sarmat
Date Posted: 04-Sep-2008 at 18:34
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I think people actually said that only after reading "what he says." ------------- Σαυρομάτης
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Posted By: MarcoPolo
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2008 at 00:03
lol! too funny.. nice way to put it
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Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2008 at 00:24
| He is another version of Ahmadi nejad (death be upon him). |
Posted By: Yekta
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2008 at 07:44
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I'm willing to overlook every document, proof, scientist, historian or source and just ask a simple question. How does he define himself, an Arab invader? He can not be one of those indigenous Iranians who were totally wiped out! He can not be a Jew because then he will be part of this so called conspiracy! He can not be one of those Slavic invaders because he should be somwhere else now! He can not be Iranian because by doing so he is practically accepting all these false beliefs! ------------- The fire that never dies burns in our hearts. |
Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2008 at 08:18
It's like when you see a rotten apple crawling with maggots, you don't need to taste it to know it's crap. ------------- |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2008 at 08:35
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http://www.azargoshnasp.net/recent_history/atoor/responseasgharzadeh/asghrazadehresponse.htm - http://www.azargoshnasp.net/recent_history/atoor/responseasgharzadeh/asghrazadehresponse.htm : Thus the passage:” Behold, a people comes from the north; and a great nation and many kings shall be stirred up from the uttermost parts of the earth.” (from the book Jeremiah written before Cyrus the Great) is taken by Pourpirar that Cyrus the Great will march from North (which he believes it is Khazaria and Slavia!). As I said here: http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=24888 - http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=24888 I also believe that Cyrus the Great was from the north but the north of Iran, not Khazaria or Slavia! In Persica, the 5th century BC Greek physician Greek physician and historian Ctesias, says Cyrus the Great was an Amardian, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amard - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amard The Amard people, or Amardis (also Amardians, Amui in Pahlavi) were a tribe living along the southern shore of the Caspian, including current day Amol, Iran. -------------
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Posted By: Sarmat
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2008 at 14:23
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There was no Khazaria, nor "Slavia" in the times of Cyrus the Great. Mr. Pourpirar is simply lacking the knowledge of the basic historical facts. ------------- Σαυρομάτης
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Posted By: Slayertplsko
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2008 at 16:23
There were! You really shouldn't believe everything the Jewish propagandists say! ------------- A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it's not open. |
Posted By: capcartoonist
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2008 at 09:37
The Slavic invasion was led by the Invisable Fuzzy Pink Unicorn. Part of the Jewish - Dust Bunny Conspiracy. ------------- Cap |
Posted By: Patrinos
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2008 at 15:34
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Where is the lost Atlantis in the whole theory?
------------- "Hellenes are crazy but they have a wise God" Kolokotronis |
Posted By: CiegaSordomud
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2008 at 21:11
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He's reacting against the other extreme that says ancient Aryans were pretty much all that existed in Iran, but two wrongs dont make a right. He is too biased to uncover discernable truth, like his idea that after commiting genocide those invaders simply returned home to the steppes. Which I would say the steppes were mostly non-Slavic and non-Aryan for the most part. But there is a point, that while there might not have been complete genocide or replacement there was a great effort by the Persians and their relatives to erase the history of Iran before them. Of course, what's most likely is that they took some aspects of the indigeneous culture and made it into their own, while demonizing them at the same time. |
Posted By: Asawar Hazaraspa
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2008 at 23:40
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I guess the guys saying that Aryans orginated in Iran and all over the worldare way much less than guys who openly speak, publish books and papersclaiming the Turkics were inhabitants not only Iranian plateau but a major part of Asia and Europe. erasing the history of Iran before that? how could you assess this one?! your sources? |
Posted By: Sharrukin
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2008 at 03:51
The context of that passage in Jeremiah (6:22) is to a prophecy of the Babylonians causing devastation to the cities of the Jews. They come "from the north" because campaign routes from Mesopotamia circumvent the Syrian desert and invade the fertile region of Syria before invading Palestine, hence "from the north".
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Posted By: capcartoonist
Date Posted: 02-Nov-2008 at 04:27
In my backyard. Beyond the shrubbery. With a path running between. ("A path! A path!")
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 20-Nov-2008 at 14:19
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it's probably oslonor under a new guise. ------------- |
Posted By: pebbles
Date Posted: 28-Feb-2009 at 09:15
ROFLOL ... that's my laugh for the day ...
Who do we nominate to compile a collection of " Scyth fables "
 ,name please ? |
Posted By: Nickmard
Date Posted: 03-Mar-2009 at 16:50
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Very funny stuff indeed. ------------- 
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Posted By: CiegaSordomud
Date Posted: 06-Mar-2009 at 03:07
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I believe there are many parts of Persian/Iranian history that need revision. Im not blaming it on a great conspiracy from the past, but from more recent sources. Namely classical, christian, and islamic historians who were too dogmatic towards vague accounts and beliefs. Literally, thousands of years of history were constructed from some passages with little if any backing evidence. For example, the Medes, the Parthians, etc. The archeological evidence is clearly lacking to support all these accounts. There's also the issue to pre-Aryan Iran, which besides the Elamites seems to be almost completely void. This 'ignorance' is also support by the government of Iran, that for fundamentalist reasons must play down non-Islamic and non-Persian history of Iran. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ali
Date Posted: 27-Mar-2009 at 12:44
Very true, since Persians are white Aryans, not white Europeans. The Slavs do not qualify as Aryans. |
Posted By: Cent
Date Posted: 01-Apr-2009 at 10:41
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Persians are not white in any sense. The majority of Persians are brown or olive skinned. ------------- They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this. Abdul Rahman Qassemlou |
Posted By: Suren
Date Posted: 01-Apr-2009 at 20:48
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Persians are as dark as their Kurdish brothers not more not less dark.
------------- Anfører |
Posted By: Cent
Date Posted: 01-Apr-2009 at 21:42
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Did you get offended Suren? ------------- They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this. Abdul Rahman Qassemlou |
Posted By: Ali
Date Posted: 01-Apr-2009 at 23:06
Well, if you want to get all technical, no living individual can actually have skin that is as "white" as snow (except possibly those rare mutant albinos that reportedly have a short life span). By this standard, even Swedes are not white. However, there is a commonly occurring colloquial convention where Swedes (and even Greeks, Italians and Spaniards of all people) are sometimes called "white". By that standard, the Persians are quite white. However, the main differentiation between Persians and Europeans is that Persians are leptorrhine, dolichocephalic Aryans... and Europeans are not. |
Posted By: Ardashir
Date Posted: 01-Apr-2009 at 23:48
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If we define white as Nordic-looking Caucasians, Persians are not white. Persians are usually od a dark Caucasoid racial type, common to other ME people, like Arabs, Turks, Kurds, etc. ------------- http://khakokhoon.blogfa.com |
Posted By: Ali
Date Posted: 02-Apr-2009 at 00:49
Well, if we use your definition white as "Nordic-looking" than that would pretty much exclude the majority of the Celtic peoples of Scotland, Wales and Ireland, from being called "white" since they are mainly of alpine/brachycephalic appearance, not even remotely "Nordic" (excluding the few descendants of Viking invaders that walk among them). But more importantly (and this is relevant to the thread started by Cyrus) this would exclude the Slavs from being called "white," either, since they are also not "Nordic" peoples by any means. And your Greek and Italian friends also wouldn't be white by that standard. So what was the big argument about? |
Posted By: Sarmat
Date Posted: 02-Apr-2009 at 14:45
I wonder if you ever have seen any Slavic people in real life. Slavic people are not white? So, who are they? Grey or yellow?
Who is the source of you "claims" Mr. White-Dolichocephalic-Aryan? Doctor Goebbels? ------------- Σαυρομάτης
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Posted By: Cent
Date Posted: 02-Apr-2009 at 18:04
Right... I still can't understand why you want to be European. One can quite often notice this complex Persians have against Europeans. Why are Persians so eager to be portrayed as white? ------------- They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this. Abdul Rahman Qassemlou |
Posted By: Slayertplsko
Date Posted: 02-Apr-2009 at 18:35
I wouldn't say Persians are so eager. Persian ARE indentified as Caucasian, whether in Iran or in the West. White doesn't equal European. ------------- A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it's not open. |
Posted By: Ali
Date Posted: 03-Apr-2009 at 00:09
True. |
Posted By: Ali
Date Posted: 03-Apr-2009 at 00:16
An excellent question Mr. Sarmat. And one that should be fielded by those who actually define white as "Nordic only". Whether they do so knowledgeably is perhaps another matter. |
Posted By: Sarmat
Date Posted: 03-Apr-2009 at 05:18
So, you're one of those who define "White" as "Nordic only." I still don't uderstand, cause even Nazis considered some Slavic people very "Nordic." ------------- Σαυρομάτης
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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 05-Apr-2009 at 13:42
This thread will close on the next rubbish post. while all deviate posts will be hidden ------------- 
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Posted By: Ali
Date Posted: 05-Apr-2009 at 16:05
Sure...of course... |
Posted By: Ali
Date Posted: 05-Apr-2009 at 16:21
No, I had not endorsed that view, but I was replying to someone who does. I merely pointed out what would be the inevitable conclusion from their definition.
Possibly, but overall, the Nazis would depict the Slavs in a manner that differentiated them from Nordics. Additionally, the Nazis were not very nice to the Slavs...there shouldn't be any illusions about that. |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 11-Apr-2010 at 19:35
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I just loved this ancient post!
"Leonidas Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Tsar Joined: Oct-01-2005 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 4616 Post Options Post Reply Quote Leonidas Report Post Quote Reply Posted: Apr-05-2009 at 15:42 Originally posted by Ali Until I heard a Neo-Nazi try to disguise himself as a "Kurd", I had no idea that some of the Nazis have a sense of humor. A few of them think that they are natural-born comedians, apparently. Unfortunately, it's a rather sick, twisted sense of humor they have. back off, his a Kurd. This thread will close on the next rubbish post. while all deviate posts will be hidden" Could one rightly believe that Leonidas was somewhat prejudiced? Or at the very least, a stuck up ?? He actually used the word "deviate" to describe a prior post! At least I think of him as "funny!" ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: Shield-of-Dardania
Date Posted: 13-May-2010 at 04:06
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So, the ancestry of Achaemenids, the jury is still out, I guess. ------------- History makes everything. Everything is history in the making. |
Posted By: Ince
Date Posted: 13-May-2010 at 08:31
Their is a high amount of Haplogroup 12a found among Kurds and Iranians, higher in North Iran, but is low or absent among Indo-Aryans. Their is a higher amount of Haplogroup I2a then R1a1, among West Iranian people.  Haplogroup I2a is found highest among Eastern Europeans. So it could be that Iranians moved to Asia later then then Indo-Aryans, and braught with them Haplogroup I2a?------------- |
Posted By: Shield-of-Dardania
Date Posted: 14-May-2010 at 00:09
Another Ahmedinajad demoniser. Why? I think he's a cool guy. He's a true patriotic son of Iran. With the balls to go along with it. If I were an Iranian, I'd be proud as hell of him.
On top of that, if you really check him out, with zero bias and prejudice, he's got more brains, academically speaking, than George 'Me Tarzan, You Jane' Bush, Bush Sr., Bill Clinton and Barack Obama combined.
He's a university lecturer, a serious technical one, with a PhD in chemistry. Not just some phoney-fakey, babble-until-the cows-go-home, political-science-graduate, expert-wannabe.
He's a latter-day Indo-Iranian hero, a modern Rushtam, who dares stand up against much mightier foes. If there're a few more Ahmedinajads around in West Asia, maybe West Asians wouldn't be dominated n pushed about so much by the imperialist big powers flamed by their lap-dog sidekicks. ------------- History makes everything. Everything is history in the making. |
Posted By: Molokane
Date Posted: 14-May-2010 at 21:12
You better be kidding. Anybody who denies the Holocaust is insane beyond words. |
Posted By: Shield-of-Dardania
Date Posted: 18-May-2010 at 01:50
No, I was not kidding at all. Sorry to dissappoint you.
You don't know Iran at all. You don't understand what's good for Iran. You are speaking through an American-born, American-bred, American-shaped mind. Have you ever lived outside of America, or perhaps the American sphere of influence, for any significant part of your life? I don't think so.
What's good for America is not necessarily good for Iran. You don't completely define a man, any man, by just one lone statement he makes. You define him by his actions, or series of actions. By this criterion, over the years 2002 - 2005, which world leader was insane beyond words?
Can you deny that America's vengeful, spiteful actions - prosecuted despite and over the vehement protestations of the UN and much of the rest of the world - resulted in over 550,000 deaths in Iraq, a country which had nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with WTC 9/11? Not to mention the irreparable destruction to Iraq's infrastructure, economy and political stability. ------------- History makes everything. Everything is history in the making. |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 18-May-2010 at 05:47
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It seems I don't know Iran too!! -------------
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Posted By: Molokane
Date Posted: 18-May-2010 at 16:58
My family who has lived in Iran their entire lives hate him. All those riots, all those protests, all those sacrifices and freedom of speech are lead by Pro-Mir Hossein followers. Tell them they don't know Iran at all, that they don't know what's good for their own country. |
Posted By: Shield-of-Dardania
Date Posted: 18-May-2010 at 21:02
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Regarding Mousavi, I don't know as much about him as I do Mahmud, So I can't really say so much. He looks like a nice guy, with his glamorous Indo-European looks. But I would be wary when someone is being hyped up so much by American media. If he's good, all well and good. But if it was me, I wouldn't want to chose someone who eventually turns out to be a puppet. Because I wouldn't want a puppet to lead the land of my kinsmen. His good looks notwithstanding. I hope Mousavi is not the puppet type. Foreign propaganda can be very powerful. It can easily mislead the susceptible, easily influenced masses. It can, and has, brought down and subsequently destroyed countries which were too weak to withstand its power.You guys maybe could take a leaf from China's book. Their leadership - their firm, strong, unbowing, unbending leadership - has managed, with not a little amount of effort, not to succumb to American pressure and propaganda. Has their country done too badly? Not at all, has it?
Gorbachev wanted to follow every wish of America, bent over backwards to please America at every turn. Look at what happened to the Soviet Union eventually. Luckily, strongman Vladimir appeared in time to stop the slide and save Russia from further degeneration and destruction by external forces.
But Deng Xiao Ping and Jiang Ze Min took a different path than Gorbachev. They didn't just allow anybody to tell them what to do. They dictated their own terms, and they made sure the people followed them. You can see the results now. Under their able, capable, equally firm, equally strong successors, Hu Jin Tao and Wen Jia Bao. They have even managed to keep the Communist Party intact and in power, thereby maintaining political stability, while in the economics sphere beating the Americans at their own capitalist game.
Gorbachev was presentable, acceptable, glamorous and popular, and he didn't drink as much as Boris. But he allowed the Americans to pull him here, there and everywhere, like a cow pulled by the nose. American media managed to convince the Russians that Gorby was the man to take Russia to a better place. By the time the Russians realised otherwise, the damage had been done, and it was irreparable and irreversible.
Perhaps Turkey is another model you might like to consider. They keep a fairly good working and business relationship with US, is still a member of NATO, but does not feel the need to toe the American line all the time.
One day,when your country is ready, then you guys can have all the freedom, all the liberalism, all the free speech that you want. But you can't have all of that now, overnight, at the expense of the country's stability and integrity. Irregardless of what you see or hear on CNN, CBS, ABC, Times Warner etc. It will be destructive, to say the least.
Sometimes, our impatience gets the better of us, and we move in haste because we believe that would make us reach somewhere faster. Then we hit a rock in the road and stumble, and get ourself injured, and we end up arriving even later. Injured. ------------- History makes everything. Everything is history in the making. |
Posted By: Shield-of-Dardania
Date Posted: 18-May-2010 at 21:38
Just giving Molo some honest, hearfelt views, Cyr. Because I love Iran and want the best for Iran. Even if I'm not an Iranian.
You know, I even felt unhappy when the Malaysian organisers of a locally organised international defence exhibition, 2 years ago, sealed up the Iranian booth for displaying miniature missiles. Honestly, I thought they did so under strong American pressure.
Unhappy again this year, after reading that our Cabinet had passed the Strategic Trade Act 2010, which would penalise firms for conducting trade with other firms involved in business believed to be related to or contributing to 'nuclear proliferation'. It would hurt countries like Iran, I know, but cause zero damage against the established nuke powers. I mean, this is the height of hypocrisy, isn't it? The world's biggest nuclear power - and the sole previous nuke bomb user - threatening others not to develop their own nuke capability. And we pandering to its wishes.
Well, it earned our current PM some nice pats on the back in Washington, but then ... naaahhhh ... Dr. Mahathir wouldn't have done that, I'm pretty sure. He wouldn't have sealed up the Iranian booth either. Nope. Now a part of me starts wishing that Mahathir could come back and lead again ...
 Mahathir & Mahmud. They'd make a good pair, I think.
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Posted By: Molokane
Date Posted: 19-May-2010 at 01:10
Nice guy? That nice guy was involved in the 70's crisis where they took American hostages. That nice guy wants all of Israel exterminated. He hangs homosexuals in the street and denies the massacre of eleven million people. Indo-European? The guy looks like a cross between an Arab and a chimp. |
Posted By: Shield-of-Dardania
Date Posted: 19-May-2010 at 01:38
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Huh? Now you've got me confused. I thought you were a big fan of Mir Hossein. Let me get this right. So you're saying even Mousavi wants Israel exterminated? In that case, you might as well stick to Mahmud. Other than that, maybe you could have Mousavi next time, after Mahmud's second term. That's if there's a law in Iran limiting the presidency to 2 terms. ------------- History makes everything. Everything is history in the making. |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 19-May-2010 at 03:20
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Shield-of-Dardania, you have certainly read the history and know about the situation of societies that religionists and extremists ruled, the problem is the regime, not Mahmud or Mirhussein, both of them are religionists, it is clear that people have to choose bad between bad and worse, but Ahmadinejad is also a dangerous idiot, would you please mention just ONE Iranian scholar who has supported him? For example do you know why almost all great Iranian directors, like Makhmalbaf and Kiarostami, have left the country and several other ones, like Jafar Panahi, are already in prison in Iran? -------------
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Posted By: Shield-of-Dardania
Date Posted: 19-May-2010 at 03:54
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I don't know if I can agree that Mahmud is such a dangerous idiot, frankly speaking. To me, the most dangerous idiot of recent times is the one with the initials GWB. I mean, we were all lucky he somehow didn't manage to cause WWIII. He almost did, actually. My honest opinion is that Mahmud, whether religionist or otherwise, has played brilliant brinksmanship while holding firm and keeping his wits about him as a leader, when all around him the global political weather was as turbulent as the North Sea in December, mostly due to America's suddenly renegade unilateralism that time. Nope, you can't play soft with someone like GWB. Or Benjamin Netanyahu for that matter. They'll just steamroll their way over you.Hard core dissenters and opposition activists in prison? No big deal. Happens everywhere. China, Russia, Pakistan, Turkey, Venezuela, Egypt, Syria, you name it.
I don't know much about the scholars, but scholars generally live in their own make-believe world. They just can't do politics. It's just a different kettle of fish altogether.
 Mahmud himself, though, is a scholar, and a rare species among scholars. One with brilliant and proven political skill and pragmatism. In that sense he's very similar to Mahathir.
But if you specifically meant a religious scholar, i.e. ulama, then perhaps those two may not fully satisfy the definition.
I don't know for sure, but I believe that, over the long term, the theocracy in Iran will gradually evolve into a more moderate Islamic regime. Perhaps something closer to today's Turkey.
I mean, Mahmud himself never, ever wears that cleric's dress and headgear. Which Mohammed Khatami used to do at least once in a while, and Hashemi Rafsanjani did rather often. It will just take time. You can't rush it, I don't think. ------------- History makes everything. Everything is history in the making. |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 19-May-2010 at 05:00
"Mahmud himself, though, is a scholar!" Of course he is a scholar but like his interior minister Dr. Kordan!  If you ask a kid in Iran "How are you?" then he/she will reply "I'm fine" but Ahmadinejad answered "Yes!" when Mevedev asked him this question!-------------
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Posted By: Shield-of-Dardania
Date Posted: 19-May-2010 at 05:08
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Well, maybe Medvedev's accent was so thick that his 'How are you' sounded like 'Khow rrr you', and Mahmud thought he was speaking a Russian phrase that he couldn't understand. So he simply said 'Yes' by way of courtesy. ------------- History makes everything. Everything is history in the making. |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 19-May-2010 at 08:31
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Just search for "Ahmadinejad Medvedev" in Google videos: “A member of the (Iranian) delegation told me, ’I saw a light that surrounded you,”’ Mr Ahmadinejad said on the tape. -------------
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Posted By: Shield-of-Dardania
Date Posted: 19-May-2010 at 18:09
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He had a halo around him? Well. Wow. All well and good for him then. Maybe he's the new Aryamehr. Seriously, though, it was all those cameras focusing on him. He was just making a light joke out of something serious. You have to understand his devilish sense of humour.
He can't speak English? Well then how on earth did he manage to get a PhD in chemistry then? He did his PhD in Persian? Wow.
Medvedev, Hu Jin Tao, Hatoyama and the Korean prez can't all speak English either. You see, they always give their official addresses in Russian, Mandarin, Japanese and Korean, respectively.
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 19-May-2010 at 22:42
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You just don't know the situation of Iran, you can be a basiji and then get a PhD in some days, in Iran you can even claim to have a PhD from Oxford University and then become interior minister, like what Kordan did, it really doesn't matter that Oxford University denies it! This university just responded to an inquiry by Alef news agency and then Ahmadinejad ordered Alef is banned! -------------
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Posted By: Shield-of-Dardania
Date Posted: 20-May-2010 at 00:37
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K. I get it now. Still, the most important quality in politics is not academic brilliance per se, but the ability to lead, govern and control. As well as to talk or bluff your way through or around when necessary. If you give the presidency of a country to someone with the genius of an Einstein, he might not necessarily have even the foggiest idea where to start.
The purely technical stuff can be assigned to the professionals, technocrats and academe. I'm sure there's enough of them to go around in Iran. I met a few during my time in England. But the leadership can only be done by those who have the talent, the authority and the 'balls' to lead. ------------- History makes everything. Everything is history in the making. |
Posted By: kalhur
Date Posted: 20-May-2010 at 03:35
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i saw the video -clip of him(poorpirar) on you tube. he is a great JOKE. but sadly his comical value is as low as his inetelectual value.
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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 02-Jun-2010 at 20:55
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If we can get back to the original question found here, which was "Slavic origin of Acghaemenid Persians", then maybe we can consider the numerous "deportations" of Nations, that reportedly existed in the past?
Just who knows how many Slavs were at one time or another "removed" to Persia? And, by that, I mean forceably removed!, or deported as "slaves!" As anyone can realize,there is a limit, whereby any ruling class can easily accept and aclimatize or assimilate foreigners! The military expansionism of a nation, leads to the fact that the interior or basis of ones heartland, becomes decimated after a while! Especially if the wars go bad, but sometimes it might even be worse if the wars go good? That is the conquering armies, then get rights to lands and women and other booty, that makes them regret going home! In other words, it might well not take too many years of such activity for the world left behind becomes the world of the former slaves? Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: Shield-of-Dardania
Date Posted: 02-Jun-2010 at 23:19
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Sometimes, an elite foreign aristocracy itself becomes the ruling class. It's happened rather often. A more 'civilised' kingdom grows, its dominion expands, the court has too many princes to accommodate, some of them venture out to foreign lands with a retinue of loyal followers. Their expertise in politics and administration is appreciated and sought after by a less advanced people. The leading prince ends up becoming king and founding a new kingdom.
If the new kingdom is near enough to the old kingdom, it becomes a vassal-ally of it. Several new kingdoms, together with the old kingdom at the centre, then coalesce to become an empire. A peaceful expansion.
Indeed, if I recall correctly, citizens of the first Russian kingdom, Kievskaya Ruska (Kievan Rus), i.e. Kiev in modern Ukraine, due to fierce, endless local inter-necine rivalry, at one time invited a group of Vikings, whom they called Varangi, to reform their kingdom, with a Viking prince becoming their new king.
While the ancient kingdom of Mittani in upper Mesopotamia was said to have been ruled by an aristocracy of Indian origin.
Conquerors adopting the culture of the conquered, themselves getting assimilated in the process, of course, is a frequent occurrence, the Hunno-Turko-Mongols being an obvious example. ------------- History makes everything. Everything is history in the making. |