Son of Alexander the Great?
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Topic: Son of Alexander the Great?
Posted By: Vorian
Subject: Son of Alexander the Great?
Date Posted: 28-May-2008 at 16:50
Ok, I was reading about Memnon, the leader of the Greek mercenaries of Darius during his war with Alexander and found out that his wife, Barsineactually became Alexander's mistress and bore him an illegitimate son, Hercules.
Now that came to me as a real surprise since I have read many times about Alexander and never heard that. Did any of you guys know about that son?
Edit: Just found my mistake
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Posted By: Vorian
Date Posted: 29-May-2008 at 18:05
Nobody is interested I guess....
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Posted By: Byzantine Emperor
Date Posted: 29-May-2008 at 18:12
Originally posted by Vorian
Ok, I was reading about memnon, the leader of the Greek mercenairs of Darius during his war with Alexander and found out that she actually became Alexander's mistress and bore him an illegitimate son, Hercules.
Now that came to me as a real surprise since I have read many times about Alexander and never heard that. Did any of you guys know about that son?
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Which source mentions this son, is it Arrian or Plutarch?
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Posted By: Vorian
Date Posted: 29-May-2008 at 18:18
Posted By: Efraz
Date Posted: 29-May-2008 at 18:24
I couldn't find it in both maybe I am missing it I am curious too...
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Posted By: Vorian
Date Posted: 29-May-2008 at 18:24
It's Plutarch....
Alexander,
esteeming it more kingly to govern
himself than to conquer his enemies, sought no intimacy with any one of
them, nor indeed with any other women before marriage, except Barsine,
Memnon's widow, who was taken prisoner at Damascus. She had been
instructed
in the Greek learning, was of a gentle temper, and by her father,
Artabazus,
royally descended, with good qualities, added to the solicitations and
encouragement of [Alexander's general] http://www.livius.org/pan-paz/parmenion/parmenion.htm - Parmenion ,
as http://www.livius.org/ap-ark/aristobulus/aristobulus.html - Aristobulus
tells us, made him the more willing to attach himself to so agreeable
and
illustrious a woman. |
It should be in the parts after Issus battle, she was with Darius' wife and mother when they got captured.
And Polyperchon tried to put Heracles in the Macedonian throne but was persuaded by Cassander not to and both Heracles and Barsine were executed, though I read somewhere that they could have died earlier and it was a fake Heracles.
For some reason I always hated that Cassander, ever since I read a book (not history but literature) about Alexander when I was 10-12 years old.
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Posted By: Efraz
Date Posted: 29-May-2008 at 19:07
Am I misunderstanding? You are talking about a son of Alexander named Herakles, right?
Where is it?
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Posted By: Vorian
Date Posted: 29-May-2008 at 20:17
Originally posted by Efraz
Am I misunderstanding? You are talking about a son of Alexander named Herakles, right?
Where is it?
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Right sorry. That part was when Alexander met Barsine. The child was born a little before Alexander married Roxane.
As I said, I just learned that recently too. I don't have Plutarch to quote from just search on the internet "Barsine" and you 'll find all you need.
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Posted By: Efraz
Date Posted: 29-May-2008 at 20:41
If I am not awfully mistaken there is no such thing in Plutarkhos my friend.
But I found it in wikipedia...I'll check sources...
I did not know such a thing thank you.
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Posted By: Vorian
Date Posted: 29-May-2008 at 22:00
Neither did I, that's why I wanted to share it.
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Posted By: Vorian
Date Posted: 29-May-2008 at 22:03
Just found out that in my first post, I forgot to mention Barsine and wrote that Memnon was Alexander's mistress and gave him a child
I edited it. Don't know what exactly I was thinking when I typed it and forgot to mention her name.
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Posted By: Byzantine Emperor
Date Posted: 29-May-2008 at 22:09
Originally posted by Vorian
Just found out that in my first post, I forgot to mention Barsine and wrote that Memnon was Alexander's mistress and gave him a child
I edited it. Don't know what exactly I was thinking when I typed it and forgot to mention her name. |
I noticed this too. Thanks for clarifying! Did anyone find out which author specifically mentions the son? Also, Memnon sure seems like a male's name.
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Posted By: Vorian
Date Posted: 29-May-2008 at 22:41
Memnon is obviously a male name!!
You can read more about Barsine and Heracles here (http://www.livius.org/ba-bd/barsine/barsine.htm). It also has a passage from Plutarch on how they met.
Browsing that site I found out that Alexander must have been quite the womanizer, he most likely got Darius' wife pregnant (http://www.livius.org/aj-al/alexander/alexander_t07.html)
I find it wierd this is not well-known. The Greek nationalists that roam around trying to prove Alexander wasn't gay would consider this treasure.
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Posted By: Aster Thrax Eupator
Date Posted: 29-May-2008 at 23:58
Well, there was Alexander the Great's successor and supposed son (he was an infant in any case), Alexander IV, who was sent back to Macedonia when he died under the Regency of Perdiccias, the commander of the companion cavalry. However, Alexander's supposed last words were "ως Κρατερόι" (to Crateros – the commander of initially the largest part of Alexander’s force – the phalangites) or “ως Κρατερoι”, because the difference between “to the stronger” and “to Craterus” is only one stressed Omricon. Regardless of this, the other generals appear to have decided to hear “to the strongest” (Κρατερoι), forming the groups that would form the three Diadochi successor wars. Some believe that Alexander left specific secret instructions to Crateros as his regent, and this theory would discount the idea that his “son” Alexander IV was actually his regent, but this theory is indeed tenuous. Moreover, I do not believe that the child was Alexander’s son, as many of the major sources do not mention him, and it’s too much to Perdiccias’ favour – he used the fact that he was the regent of Alexander’s “son” to launch a pre-emptive and disastrous strike against Ptolemy Kauranos (Lightning bolt) in Egypt. I’ve not heard about this illegitimate son; the only “son” that I had heard of was Alexander IV, who was born to a concubine supposedly after Alexander the Great’s death. It would not surprising if he did have so many children – the elite of any empire almost always produce hundreds of children by the amount of women that they and their leftentants take as concubines.
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Posted By: Vorian
Date Posted: 30-May-2008 at 00:15
I think Alexander IV was Roxane's child with him, she wasn't a concubine but his legal wife.
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Posted By: qorci
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2009 at 02:47
Sorry to bring up an older thread, but I'm just catching up on my reading.
Here's more info on Alexander's son Heracles: http://www.pothos.org/content/index.php?page=children-2 - Children of Alexander the Great .
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Posted By: Count Belisarius
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2009 at 03:11
So what happened to the kid?
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2009 at 03:11
No problem, we welcome old threads being revived. Thanks for the link interesting stuff. Too bad that is hard to say for sure which his children were, etc... Would be interesting if we could reconstruct a genealogy of the following two or three generations.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2009 at 03:12
Originally posted by Count Belisarius
So what happened to the kid? |
Apparently both were murdered. So no grandchildren.
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Posted By: Jallaludin Akbar
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2009 at 05:55
Yep, it says he was strangled to death while his mother was killed too.
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Posted By: Vorian
Date Posted: 08-Feb-2009 at 10:02
Posted By: khshayathiya
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2009 at 22:27
There is also a mention of this subject in Diodorus Siculus' Bibliotheke Historike:
"Meanwhile Polyperchon, who was biding his
time in the
Peloponnesus, and who was nursing grievances against Cassander and had
long craved the leadership of the Macedonians, summoned from Pergamon
Barsinê's son Heracles, who was the son of Alexander but was being reared in Pergamon, being about seventeen years of age. 2 Moreover,
Polyperchon, sending to his own friends in many places and to those who
were at odds with Cassander, kept urging them to restore the youth to
his ancestral throne. 3 He also
wrote to the Federal League of the Aetolians, begging them to grant a
safe conduct and to join forces with him and promising to repay the
favour many times over if they would aid in placing the youth on his
ancestral throne. Since the affair proceeded as he wished, the
Aetolians being in hearty agreement and many others hurrying to aid in
the restoration of the king, in all there were assembled more than
twenty thousand infantry and at least one thousand horsemen. 4 Meanwhile
Polyperchon, intent on the preparations for the war, was gathering
money; and sending to those to Macedonians who were friendly, he kept
urging them to join in the undertaking" (Book XX, chapter 20)
"Meanwhile Polyperchon, who had collected a strong army, brought back to his father's kingdom Heracles, the son of Alexander and Barsinê; but when he was in camp at the place called Stymphaeum, Cassander arrived with his army. As the camps were not far distant from each other and the Macedonians regarded the restoration of the king without disfavour, Cassander, since he feared lest the Macedonians, being by nature prone to change sides easily, should sometime desert to Heracles, sent an embassy to Polyperchon. 2 As for the king, Cassander tried to show Polyperchon that if the restoration should take place he would do what was ordered by others; but, he said, if Polyperchon joined with him and slew the stripling, he would at once recover what had formerly been granted him throughout Macedonia, and then, after receiving an army, he would be appointed general in the Peloponnesus and would be partner in everything in Cassander's realm, being honoured above all. Finally he won Polyperchon over by many great promises, made a secret compact with him, and induced him to murder the king. 3 When Polyperchon had slain the youth and was openly co-operating with Cassander, he recovered the grants in Macedonia and also, according to the agreement, received four thousand Macedonian foot-soldiers and five hundred Thessalian horse. 4 Enrolling also those of the others who wished, he attempted to lead them through Boeotia into the Peloponnesus; but, when he was prevented by Boeotians and Peloponnesians, he turned aside, advanced into Locris, and there passed the winter." (Book 20, chapter 28)
(both fragments taken from http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/20B*.html - Lacus Curtius - an excellent web site!)
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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2009 at 22:02
I took a class about Hellenism at Eastern Washington U. and I recall there are numerous myths written about him but many of them centuries after his death so who knows what is real and what is myth. Officially, I do not think he had a son but I will pull out my notes. Who knows how many offspring he left behind unofficially- LOL
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Posted By: khshayathiya
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2009 at 22:24
Originally posted by eaglecap
I took a class about Hellenism at Eastern Washington U. and I recall there are numerous myths written about him but many of them centuries after his death so who knows what is real and what is myth. Officially, I do not think he had a son but I will pull out my notes. Who knows how many offspring he left behind unofficially- LOL |
Officially, he did have a son, Alexander IV, born by Rhoxane after his death. The original question was whether Herakles, the son of Alexander's mistress Barsine, was also a true son of the Conqueror. Which he may have been...
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Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 02-Nov-2014 at 04:06
According the number of females(males can not become pregnant still!!!) and spreading of his name,there had been a lot of them.Legal,one:Alexander IV!
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