Catholic Church's latest convert
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Topic: Catholic Church's latest convert
Posted By: Paul
Subject: Catholic Church's latest convert
Date Posted: 23-Dec-2007 at 01:13
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Tony Blair former overlord of the Anglican Church has become a left footer. Pundits had always suspected popery at number 10 but now the darstadly deed has come about.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7157409.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7157409.stm
One interesting fact is Mr Blair's record on certain matters. He forced all Christian adoption agencies in the UK (kicking and screaming) to operate a non-descriminatary policy towards Gay couples. Made the Morning After Pill be freely handed out at schools for girls 11+. Supports Gay marriage, contraception and abortion..... So a great track record for any new catholic.
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Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 23-Dec-2007 at 05:54
This is the first time I've ever heard this expression. Do you know where it comes from Paul?
Being a good politician and a good Catholic seem to be at odds with one another these days. I mean look at the Pope he's a horrible diplomat, never willing to compromise on any issue.  ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23-Dec-2007 at 06:02
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Thats going to be some confession; "forgive me father for I have sinned, for I have supported fornication and sodomy". ------------- |
Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 23-Dec-2007 at 19:07
Me..... The PM chooses the Archbishop of Canterbury, so this means a Catholic has chosen the head of the Anglican Church.  ------------- Light blue touch paper and stand well back http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk - http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk - http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk |
Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 23-Dec-2007 at 19:09
"started more wars than any other British Prime Minister, been responcible for the deaths of half a million people."
"What! 6 Hail Mary's and I'm all forgiven. Ta very much".
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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 24-Dec-2007 at 04:57
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Tony Blair was and is
a lair!
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Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 24-Dec-2007 at 06:43
Wow I didn't know reunification would progress so far so soon.  ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: elenos
Date Posted: 24-Dec-2007 at 06:58
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If his wife and kids are already Catholic, why not join in and start counting on his own set of rosary beads? ------------- elenos |
Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 24-Dec-2007 at 12:52
Well now, Catholics are individuals too, and humans, not just robots of doctrine. I don't think I know a single Catholic whose personal belief, whether in theory or practice, is 100% on accord with that of the Church. With the possible exception of a Dominican friar. I think Blair made the right choice for himself here, as the Catholic world is possibly the most vibrant religious community on the planet today, and rarely do they strap on dynamite belts, which is a plus in my book. ------------- |
Posted By: Poppy
Date Posted: 24-Dec-2007 at 13:40
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From one extreme to another. First of all he goes from being an butt kissing PM to a Catholic. I dont know which is worse! Looks like someone is doing what he can to get back on the front page or maybe just to pad out his memoirs! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 24-Dec-2007 at 14:27
Clearly you have never heard of Tamils. ------------- |
Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 24-Dec-2007 at 14:46
Actually I have, despite their relative obscurity. I did not know however that there is a Catholic minority among them, or that these have adopted the dynamite belt fashion. This is a clear breach of doctrine though, as unlike Muhammed Jesus could never afford a dynamite belt. Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher, all is vanity. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 24-Dec-2007 at 20:39
actually upon taking Prophethood he also took upon poverty as he gave away his wealth for the sake of the community and is attributed with a modest life and poverty. his followers like members of Ummayah had substantial wealth. so he could not afford one either. 
To get back on topic. I do not see what the big deal is. He knows what path fulfils him best as a person and believer. I wish him luck in his spiritual quest. His warmongering no matter how you view it has nothing to do with his conversion nor should it be a factor. ------------- |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 25-Dec-2007 at 05:42
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Wasn't Asoka the Great one of the most bloodthirsty rulers of the Indian subcontinent until his sudden conversion to Buddhism? Past actions should not have any bearing on conversions. .....of course I believe this has very little to do with Tony Blair since from what I hear, he's been a closet Catholic most of his life. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: elenos
Date Posted: 25-Dec-2007 at 08:54
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Perhaps there should be a coming out of the spiritual closet party for Blair! What next Blair for Pope? ------------- elenos |
Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 25-Dec-2007 at 11:56
Although the catholic chirch had sent out many death squads, they might have called them crusaders, conquisstadors or missionaries in different ages for different reasons, are suicid bombers rarely mentioned,that much is true.
And that the Tamil tigers are a catholic motivated group is a very new information for me, whereas i have second thoughts in it. -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 25-Dec-2007 at 15:15
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I bet Blair is trying to ensure he won't be sent directly to hell when dies.
Mr. Satan must be very eager to pick that guy, indeed.
Blair got convinced Prostestantism don't have much influence with the Holly Father at all, so he better take the best chance to save his soul from which is available in the religion market.
If there is something wrong with the Catholic Church of today is that don't have an admission test. Theirs temples always have the door open for anyone to enter if they wish to do so. Anyone is welcome. (Pinochet was Catholic, for instance). They are all accepted as the repentent son of the parabole, including the worst criminals in jails or in the parlaments ------------- |
Posted By: Reginmund
Date Posted: 25-Dec-2007 at 17:42
That's heresy pinguin! According to Catholic doctrine, absolvement is never unattainable, even for the worst criminal. 
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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 25-Dec-2007 at 17:59
I understand almost every prisoner in the US that has committed a henious crime is born again. Would you throw open the prison doors? ------------- Light blue touch paper and stand well back http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk - http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk - http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 26-Dec-2007 at 03:01
Heresy! My godness!
It can't be, though, because I am not Catholic but Agnostic.
Now, one of the things that I don't accept of the Catholic doctrine is precisely how soft it is with criminals. I preffer they receive what they deserve.
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Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 26-Dec-2007 at 03:14
The Tamil Tigers are by and by the most part a secular group that has expressed anti-muslim opinions. For the most part even though Catholicism makes up most of the Tamil Christians, 90% of all Tamils are Hindu, so I would say that very few Tamil suicide attackers are Catholics.
That's up to the secular authorities who control a man's physical freedom. When a man accepts God, God frees his soul.
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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 01-Jan-2008 at 10:48
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Can I repeat, probably as uselessly as ever, my continuing wish that people would not use the term 'Catholic' as though all Catholics were Roman Catholics?
Blair, as far as I know, has always been Catholic. What he has apparently done is accept the hegemony of the Pope.
The BBC got it right in the first sentence:
but ruined it thereafter, probably because they quoted so many Roman prelates, who have a vested interest in confusing the issue.
The BBC is not what it was.
PS: 'Left footer' is not Paul's coinage. It was a fairly common phrase when I was growing up. There's a version of its origin at http://www.allwords.com/word-left-footer.html - http://www.allwords.com/word-left-footer.html
but how true it is I don't know.
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Posted By: The_Jackal_God
Date Posted: 01-Jan-2008 at 18:10
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the comments about the church needing to fill in for the state on punishing crime is funny, reminds me of aesop's the man, the boy and the ass |
Posted By: HEROI
Date Posted: 01-Jan-2008 at 18:26
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It is well known that Blair was a supersticious person,he even paid a personal astrologer when he was primeminister,and he also had many other weird fixations.One of his best friends and most suportive politicians was (is) gay,Mr Mandelson.It is also very clear that Blais is an expert liar.
Uncountrary to the belief that nobody can be a 100% indoctrinated in to a religion,so it is understandable that Blair as a human being has done some mistakes in his past ,the truth is that people who realy belive do put at the foundations of their existence the religios doctrine,even though as humans they do make mistakes, and sins.
So there are certain principles by which a religios person hangs on during his existence and are at the foundations of the religion and its preachings.
In the Catholic religion Homosexuality is a sin,starting a war is a sin,and recognising supernatural forces other then god is the bigest sin.Now if you dont belive in this principles then what is the point in converting to this particular religion??????????????????????
You belive in this religion and go by this principles or you dont,is as simple as that ,you cant play god.
So by all this my opinion is that Blair remains one of the most experineced and expert liars alive.
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