Whats your favorite Italian city state?
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Topic: Whats your favorite Italian city state?
Posted By: Tobodai
Subject: Whats your favorite Italian city state?
Date Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 14:48
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I wont do a poll because I know Ill forget something. Well as you all know, my favorite is Venice, not just for unique locale but also it had an overseas empire naval power, and had a very unique social and religious structure. ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 15:54
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La Serenissima all the way.
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Posted By: Genghis
Date Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 17:28
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I would say Venice for their great power and underhandedness during the 4th Crusade. ------------- Member of IAEA |
Posted By: Cornellia
Date Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 19:22
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Not a very easy choice but I think in the end, I'll go with Florence. Just gotta love the Medici.
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Posted By: vagabond
Date Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 22:13
I'm with the Lion of St. Mark as well - not just for the history - but because she's one of my favorite cities today - if you can get past the smell of the canals.. ------------- In the time of your life, live - so that in that wonderous time you shall not add to the misery and sorrow of the world, but shall smile to the infinite delight and mystery of it. (Saroyan) |
Posted By: Roughneck
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 00:31
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Same here, Venice. It was a great power on the Mediterranean until ironically another Italian shifted the trade routes, and I loved it there. ------------- |
Posted By: Tonifranz
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 01:15
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Venice. Venice is an empire on it's own right. |
Posted By: Imperatore Dario I
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 15:53
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Venice, I love Venice!!!!!! VIVA LA VENEZIA!!!! I especially love their marriage to the sea!
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Posted By: boody4
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 21:32
Holy See  .
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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 21:51
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Sweet, most people are with me for once!
Yeah that 4th crusade business was pretty sweet,...I mean treacherous ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
Posted By: Dari
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 02:22
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Hong Kong! Oh wait...hmm I thought you said Greek city-states. I guess, Naples. ------------- 
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Posted By: demon
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 12:50
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Venice for its waterways...but I think the waters are too dirty in these days... So I would go for Florence for its history. ------------- Grrr.. |
Posted By: Roughneck
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 19:38
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They most definitely are! Sophia Loren fell in, had an ear infection for the rest of her life. Julia Stiles was also in Venice filming. One of the crew wanted her to put her toe in the water. She said she would only do it if he drank it, which he did. His face was puffed up for a LONG time after, and he got REAL sick! It is supposed to be the most polluted water in the world. ------------- |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 16:18
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I guess I'd have to go with the Vatican, but technically their a universal city so not italian. Anyway, I hate to just go with the crowd but I have to say Venice is my favorite. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 18:16
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I love Norman/Hohenstaufen Sicly and Naples...but for sheer beauty I pick Firenze ------------- |
Posted By: Imperatore Dario I
Date Posted: 25-Aug-2004 at 20:03
oh please, it's Italian. Don't care about their independence -------------
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Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 29-Aug-2004 at 19:51
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It's not just their independance, I mean technically the clergy that live in the vatican are taken from all over the world. I mean the ruler is a pole. Also I would consider it Latin rather than italian. Although the rennaissance gave it a huge italian flavor........... ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2004 at 15:24
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Venice for its naval history and for taking part in the defeat of the Ottoman naval power.
Tuscany (Florence) for its beauty. |
Posted By: ihsan
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2004 at 17:22
I would also say Florence  ------------- [IMG]http://img50.exs.cx/img50/6148/ger3.jpg"> Qaghan of the Vast Steppes http://steppes.proboards23.com - Steppes History Forum |
Posted By: Jr_Capablanca
Date Posted: 09-Sep-2004 at 05:17
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Hello! Venice...don`t know why though. /Capa
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Posted By: Mast
Date Posted: 09-Sep-2004 at 14:52
Florence! I always play Tuscany in EU2! 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09-Sep-2004 at 14:54
Fiume
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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 09-Sep-2004 at 17:48
ships trade, longest living republic in the world (kinda) ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 09-Sep-2004 at 22:13
San Marino actualy, founded 200 years before Venice, and still going. ------------- Arrrgh!!"
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Posted By: Ptolemy
Date Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 15:20
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Venice? They are a bunch of thieves! Florence has had a greater impact on culture. |
Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 17:26
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But damned good thieves. ------------- Economic Communist, Political Progressive, Social Conservative. Unless otherwise noted source is wiki. |
Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 19:55
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all cultural adaptation and sucess is theivery in some way ------------- "the people are nothing but a great beast... I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
Posted By: Landsknecht_Doppelsoldner
Date Posted: 13-Sep-2004 at 10:26
They were actually great innovators as well. In terms of nautical/naval science, they were usually ahead of the game, at least in the context of Mediterranean galley wafare. Their military shipyard (the Arsenale) was the largest industrial complex in Europe during the Middle Ages and Renaissance. They introduced the galleasse (galeazza), a rebuilt form of great galley (galea grossa), which featured a heavy battery of ship-killing culverins in the forward superstructure, as well as light broadside pieces. The six galleasses present at Lepanto in 1571 were said to have sunk 70 Ottoman galleys on their own. Several of the Lepanto galleasses were later modified by Galileo, and their speed (never a strong point on these ships) was greatly improved. Venetian heavy artillery was second to none, and John F. Guilmartin indicated in his classic (and back in print!) book, Gunpowder and Galleys, that their gunnery science was superior as well. The Venetians typically shot at longer ranges than either Western galleys (Spanish, Maltese, etc) or Turkish galleys. Venice also was a great center for printed material--many of the famous fencing masters of the time had their books published in the Republic (eg., the 1568 edition of Achille Marozzo's Opera Nova, the 1568 and 1604 editions of Camillo Agrippa's Trattato di scienza a'arme, the first edition of Giacomo di Grassi's treatise from 1570, Nicoletto Giganti's classic rapier text from 1606, etc). Venice also had a sense of community which was comparatively unique, where class separation wasn't as much of an issue (as David Nicolle, PhD, noted--in the militia, the rich and poor trained together). FWIW. Peace, David Black Mastro ------------- "Who despises me and my praiseworthy craft, I'll hit on the head that it resounds in his heart." --Augustin Staidt, of the Federfechter (German fencing guild) |
Posted By: Imperatore Dario I
Date Posted: 17-Sep-2004 at 16:46
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It's not just their independance, I mean technically the clergy that live in the vatican are taken from all over the world. I mean the ruler is a pole. Also I would consider it Latin rather than italian. Although the rennaissance gave it a huge italian flavor...........
The Vatican has always saw itself as the leader of Italy. And it continues to see herself as the true leader of the Italian nation. Pope John Paul II himself called Italy "his country." Plus, the Latin is a formality, everyone in it speaks Italian, I know because I've been there! -------------
“Let there be a race of Romans with the strength of Italian courage.”- Virgil's Aeneid |
Posted By: Evildoer
Date Posted: 17-Sep-2004 at 21:36
| The bronze horses on the greatest Cathedral of Venice are loot from Hypodrom (spelling?) of Constantinople... |
Posted By: Ptolemy
Date Posted: 22-Sep-2004 at 12:53
| Not much of a surprise. |
Posted By: cattus
Date Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 14:17
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well if that is the case than they fit there alot better now than would fit in Istanbul today. ------------- |
Posted By: Evildoer
Date Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 17:03
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 21:46
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I'll have to go with two.. It is too hard for me to decide! I'll say Venice because of its military power. But I will also have to say Milan, just because I have adored the place forever. Milan is what got me interested in Italian Renaissance in the first place, though there is no reason in particular why. ------------- |
Posted By: Evildoer
Date Posted: 01-Oct-2004 at 00:36
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The thing got me interested in Renaissance was art of early masters like Massaccio, and the Medici family (Florence). The Canadian population in this forum is fast growing. |
Posted By: Kalevipoeg
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2004 at 11:55
Weeeee..... all these nice places and i am going on a tour to Italy on the 22th, hurray!!!!!!! Are there Yu-Gi-Oh! cards on sale there and how much does a booster cost? ------------- There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge... |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 21-Jul-2005 at 17:09
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Ferrara and Modena. On family ties.
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Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 22-Jul-2005 at 04:37
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I don't like some of the things which Venice has done, but I do like Venice in terms of the city itself and how it managed to grow and become beautiful in the most unlikely of environments. Also I did a course on the Renaissance recently and Florence is simply a asight to behold. A true leader in terms of culture and magnificence in an area where each city was trying to outdo the other in those fields. ------------- |
Posted By: Decebal
Date Posted: 22-Jul-2005 at 13:26
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In terms of sheer influence, nobody beats Roma Aeterna. The Papal state (today the Vatican) is the longest surviving state in Europe. Even if you discount its early beginnings, it has been a major force on the European and world scene since the 6th century. ------------- What is history but a fable agreed upon? Napoleon Bonaparte Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth.- Mohandas Gandhi 
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