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Topic: Arab slave owners

Posted By: Malik
Subject: Arab slave owners
Date Posted: 02-Jun-2007 at 09:26

Were egyptians the only "arabs" to have sub african slaves?I understand that the were captured and/or sold to them as prisoners and what have you.Can any of you provide me with info on this topic..it would be much obliged .

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 03-Jun-2007 at 03:26

I encourage you to read this article about Islam and slavery. Although is written by christians and it is clearly somehow biassed against Islam, it also show certain facts that could give you some idea of how it really was.

http://www.christianaction.org.za/articles_ca/2004-4-TheScourgeofSlavery.htm - http://www.christianaction.org.za/articles_ca/2004-4-TheScourgeofSlavery.htm

Posted By: Surmount
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2007 at 02:02

The Egyptians were not Arab in ancient times. They didn't even speak Arabic. The migration of Arabs from Yemen And Modern day Saudi Arabia caused Egypt to be in the state it is now as far as the people etc.

The Arabs did have slaves though mainly from Ethiopia. There were also Africans who were in that region who were not slaves.

Posted By: Surmount
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2007 at 02:58

The Egyptians are now considered Arab because of arabization.
Arabization is the gradual transformation of an area into one that speaks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language - Arabic and is part of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab - Arab http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture - culture . It can also mean the replacement or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_migration - displacement of a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples - native http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population - population with Arabs, although this rarely happened in ancient times, as there weren't nearly sufficient numbers of original Arabs to replace or displace existing populations.
Arab isn't an actual race or ethnicity.

Posted By: Al Jassas
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2007 at 05:22

Hello To You All

The ONLY way to enslave someone in Islam for him to be a prisoner of war legitimately captured in a legitimate war and the act of enslavement sanctioned by the ruler. If any of these conditions does not exist in a slave he is automatically free. Slave owners are not free to do anything they want with their slaves. If they hurt their slaves the slave has the right to file a suit against his master and punishment can be excited on the owner for hurting his own slave. Also, slaves have the right to own property, marry and even make buy their own freedom and the owner has no right to deny it if I am not mistaken. All that is above is in theory however in practice people deviated from the dictations of Islam like they did in far more important things but non the less, slaves in the Islamic world were in the best conditions slaves ever had through history and that is a fact. All the Mameluke sultan were slaves and they reached the highest offices in that state. All arab countries especially here in Saudi Arabia had significant slave populations up to the 1960's.

Al-Jassas

Posted By: Rakasnumberone
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2007 at 02:35

Originally posted by Al Jassas

Hello To You All

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The�ONLY way to enslave someone in Islam for him to be a prisoner of war legitimately captured�in a legitimate war�and the act of enslavement sanctioned by the ruler. If any of these conditions does not�exist in a slave he is automatically free. Slave owners are not free to do anything they want with their slaves. If they hurt their slaves the slave has the right to file a suit against his master and punishment can be excited on the owner for hurting his own slave. Also, slaves have the right to own property, marry and even make buy their own freedom and the owner has no right to deny it if I am not mistaken. All that is above is in theory however in practice people deviated from the dictations of Islam like they did in far more important things but non the less, slaves in the Islamic world were in the best conditions slaves ever had through history and that is a fact. All the Mameluke sultan were slaves and they reached the highest offices in that state. All arab countries especially here in Saudi Arabia had significant�slave populations up to the 1960's.

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That is the law on paper, but remember, the criminal mind always seeks to twist things to their advantage. One thing that this criminal element would do was to arm the enimies of one group so that they would attack the other and then sell the captives as slaves. There are many eye witness accounts of exactly how this was done, but I'm too tired right now to remember the names. The English explorer who searched for the source of the Nile and the lost Dr. Livingston, (God I really am exhausted), wrote about it in his journals. Fatima Mernisi also mentions something about it. In one of her books she tells of a woman in her father's household who was captured as a small child and sold into slavery in Morocco.

Also, most people forget that the Muslims also enslaved eastern Europeans, or anyone else they could get their hands on, not just Africans.

As far as the Ancient Egyptians, most of the Nubians in the kingdome were not slaves. Egypt did not have a slave based economy the way that Greece and Rome did. Prisoners of war were enslaved, as was standard practice in the Ancient world, (The fall of Troy). So they would have enslaved all the peoples they had conflicts with at one point or another, not just Nubians.