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Ridley Scott’s(of Gladiator fame) new movie

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Topic: Ridley Scott’s(of Gladiator fame) new movie
Posted By: Qnzkid711
Subject: Ridley Scott’s(of Gladiator fame) new movie
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2005 at 18:55
Kingdom of Heaven.


Looks pretty good.  I know most, if not all, the recent history
films have been sub-par but Gladiator was pretty good and the trailor
for this seemed really cool.
Here is a link:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/kingdom_of_heaven/trailer_lg.html - http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/kingdom_of_heaven/trailer_ lg.html





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Posted By: Qnzkid711
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2005 at 18:56
ahh damn the link screwed up   



Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2005 at 19:42
what is the movie about?

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Posted By: Qnzkid711
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2005 at 20:18
Its about the Crusades.    


Posted By: Ptolemy
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2005 at 22:41

Well, it really glorifies the crusades, no?



Posted By: Teup
Date Posted: 01-Feb-2005 at 04:32
My thoughts exacly.. hmm I'd rather spend my 8 euro on something else.

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Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: 02-Feb-2005 at 23:50

Could be interesting. But who is starring? Anthony Hopkins as the wise old pope, Brad Pitt as a daring young and bold crusader and Wesley Snipes as the infidel?

I just hope it has some interesting historical romance in it and not just pure hollywoodesque epic saga.



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Posted By: Degredado
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2005 at 01:35

Originally posted by Teup

My thoughts exacly.. hmm I'd rather spend my 8 euro on something else.

Hey! Wait to see if the movie is good as entertainment or not. Don't deny it due to pc reasons. History is always biased, so hang tough.



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Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2005 at 02:06
Originally posted by Infidel

Could be interesting. But who is starring? Anthony Hopkins as the wise old pope, Brad Pitt as a daring young and bold crusader and Wesley Snipes as the infidel?


I just hope it has some interesting historical romance in it and not just pure hollywoodesque epic saga.



The main role is played by good old, pointy ears, Legolas, Orlando Bloom, he's cornered the market,he never takes off his sandals, these days.

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Posted By: Teup
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2005 at 13:54
Originally posted by Degredado

Originally posted by Teup

My thoughts exacly.. hmm I'd rather spend my 8 euro on something else.

Hey! Wait to see if the movie is good as entertainment or not. Don't deny it due to pc reasons. History is always biased, so hang tough.

Allright allright... I don't want to a nitpicker or anything... (hey, I'm writing a game that's full of historical inaccuracies ) But I only go to the cinema if it's really spectacular/original, and IMHO some biased crusader tale isn't really all that.. I'll probably see it sometime anyway, rent it or watch it on tv.



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Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2005 at 15:06
Originally posted by Ptolemy

Well, it really glorifies the crusades, no?



Doubt it. What I've heard it's closer to the other way around. If you're interested in some light entertainment, it might be something for you. On the other hand, if you like historical movies that are accurate, move on. Several historians, British and Arab, has renounced it as rubbish in that compartment.


Posted By: Imperator Invictus
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2005 at 15:09
(Possible spoiler They won't make it as inaccurate as Gladiator was. The outcome of the battle will be historically accurate.

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Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: 04-Feb-2005 at 13:10
Most movies tend to be inacurate historically. It's part of the business and entertainment. They're never history books.

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Posted By: John the Kern
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2005 at 04:32
 the major flaws in gladiator include 1) the preatorian gaurd- no one really knows how they were dressed2) most swords made for the areas where make super birttle so the fighter HAD to use there shield to defend themselve other wise the blades would snap 3) all the legionarries at the begining are wearing the same armour, the romans re-used armour, so some should have bronze helms, and where are the Auxlia ? they would have made up the main battle force. so judging on his past efforts MR.Scott needs to check his anicent armies

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Posted By: Kuu-ukko
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2005 at 10:22

Why are you people always so serious about these movies?! C'mon, let's face it, inaccurate movies sell. But still, you don't have to nag about every little mistake the makers made. It's only a movie.



Posted By: Mangudai
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2005 at 11:10

I don't really like what I've seen of the movie in the trailers. Unfortunatley, it seems to be the same old Hollywood action epic with exaggerated phyrrotechnic effects and the nowadays compulsory hordes of computer-animated robot-guys that we saw in "Troy" as well as in Star wars

And I hate flaming arrows and naphta used in war-scenes!  It was cool when it was used in Gladiator, but now I'm just bored since nowadays, every movie about pre-gunpowder warfare make up the lack of explosions with endless, spectacular fireshows...



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2005 at 11:36
Actually, they have tried to depict the good and evil in both sides of the crusades, ambitious kings, self-righteous popes, etc

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08-May-2005 at 22:17
Kingdom of Heaven

One aspect that was pretty much true was the way they
portrayed Saladin. He was a Kurd by the way. Not a power
hungry guy, he was capable of great acts of compassion and
could be very circumspect in his treatment of the fallen. In most
ways, he was a far more civilised man than the Frankish
monsters he confronted. He was highly regarded in Europe too.

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Posted By: Laelius
Date Posted: 12-May-2005 at 01:15
I think many of you are ridiculous, your constant complaints about hollywood's butchering of history merely demonstrates your own lack of historical knowledge.  Le Morte Arthur anyone?


Posted By: jiangweibaoye
Date Posted: 13-May-2005 at 12:57

I don't know enough about the Crusades, but I read that Saladin was a very fair man.  Treated the fallen very well.

Concerning John the Kern's statement about the Roman armor, I totally agree.  Yes, it is a movie, don't take it too seriously, but if you are making a historical movie, you want to make it as accurate as possible.

Brad Pitt in Troy.  It did not work of me.  In the movie, when he came ashore near Troy, I though he had a Greek sword in one hand and a surfboard on the other!  I just could not take that California golden boy look with the movie.  Orlando & Eric Bana (misspelled) worked.  They actually looked Greek (from what I have seen with the paintings and artifacts).



Posted By: rj34
Date Posted: 15-May-2005 at 01:59

I'm not sure Saladin was completly free of doing some bad things.  Any time you take up arms against another person you aren't exactly being generous to them.  I think it was probably pretty common practice for both sides to behave badly.  I'm sure the movie made a lot of mistakes but I dont go to movies to be educated I go to be entertained.  Watch the history channel if you want to enjoy a history lesson.  I thought the movie was more along the lines of Scott's idealistic look at the world with some realism.  I still liked the flick and would recommend if you are just going to be entertained and not educated.

 

 

 




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