Hitler fled to Argentina
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Topic: Hitler fled to Argentina
Posted By: mamikon
Subject: Hitler fled to Argentina
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2007 at 01:47
| Recently there were rumors that Hitler and Eva Brun fled to Argentina after WWII. Could this be true? any thoughts? |
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Posted By: Peteratwar
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2007 at 04:15
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Rumours have been around for decades.
Answer to your queries:
No
Early conspiracy theory
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Posted By: Ahmed The Fighter
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2007 at 05:44
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I red about this issue that someone saw Hitler in Argentina in 1965 A.D,but that is impossible. in the KGB classified decuments mentioned that Hitler's body burned and burried in Bavarian forest 6 meters under the ground. ------------- "May the eyes of cowards never sleep" Khalid Bin Walid 
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2007 at 09:30
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in the KGB classified decuments mentioned that Hitler's body
burned and burried in Bavarian forest 6 meters under the
ground. and KGB never told a lie? ------------- |
Posted By: Dan Carkner
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2007 at 10:30
| If it was a classified document, they would only be lying to themselves wouldn't they? |
Posted By: Peteratwar
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2007 at 10:31
Have you any evidence they are lying here ?
Usually on their internal documents they didn't
This would fit with known evidence
No evidence to the contrary
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2007 at 10:45
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There was a Russian documentary on the topic Is it possible that the winning world powers did not want Hitler on the Nuremberg Trials since he would divulge many secret treaties and etc...? ------------- |
Posted By: Peteratwar
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2007 at 11:06
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2007 at 22:06
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Hitler certainly did.
He went to Argentina in a submarine, and he still lives there in the Patagonia, in a Nazi base where flying saucers go round and round
 You bet!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 26-Apr-2007 at 22:27
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and montgomery flew to the north pole. lol sorry i dont think that it is true. ------------- |
Posted By: hkdollarboy
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2007 at 05:25
The Germans -- or should I say the survivors of the Berlin Bunker -- said the same thing. Of course, you cannot 'trust" the ex-Nazis who served Hitler personally. However, their stories matched that of their enemy the Soviet Union. The survivors also told their stories while they were in West Germany. Besides, the Soviets had kept quiet on issue. It was not liked they used this a propaganda. ------------- My blog on useless historical facts: http://uselesshistoricalfacts.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2007 at 09:25
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Ok, first off I dont believe he fled to Argentine. I never head of this
theory until recently. I wanted to see what others thought of it...
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2007 at 09:59
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Although it is unreliable, the possibility exists.
Many nazis criminals of war hide in South America after World War II, with the help of local fascist regimes, the numerous germans colones of the region, and some local nazis too. However, South America was also the refuge for large communities of Jews, and it its known colaboration with Israel secret services existed after the war.
It is a fascinating story. Just start researching "Odessa".
Pinguin
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Posted By: Peteratwar
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2007 at 10:45
This is a history channel not a fiction review, surely ?
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2007 at 11:05
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Odessa is fact. The escape of several nazi criminals to South America is also fact. What is not known if the man of the little moustache was with them.
This is something very unknown of worldwide history. For example, not many people know that there were many in South America that cheer at Nazis, and that wanted Germany win WWII. Others don't know about nazi movements in South America, and the internal fights between comunists, democrats and fascists.
Other don't know that Evita was the woman of a fascist dictator that help many nazis to escape, and that mounted military programs with nazis!
Curious. I don't know why the world always forgot about South America.
Pinguin
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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2007 at 12:06
He could have shaved it too. Think about it  why is the book called Odessa? ------------- |
Posted By: sreenivasarao s
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2007 at 13:09
OK. Let us for a moment assume Hitler did escape to Argentina. What did he do there in all those years of his survival . Nothing..nothing. He hid there like a rat. That was worse than death. It does not therefore matter whether he survived WWII or not.In either case he was dead or worse than dead.finis. |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2007 at 18:56
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peteratwar wrote-
This is a history channel not a fiction review, surely ?
All that pinguin wrote about is true. Odessa was/is an underground network supposedly run by a former Nazi special ops officer whose name escapes me[ he was AH's special missions ace, responsible for the raid that freed Mussolini.] It was funded through hidden Swiss accounts.
------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2007 at 21:02
In Europe it's actually quite wellknown that many nazis fled to South America after WW2. ------------- |
Posted By: Balaam
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2007 at 22:40
According to "The Hitler Book" Hitler shot himself and Eva took a cyanide pill then there body's were destroyed by several hundred litres of benzene in the garden outside of his bunker. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 27-Apr-2007 at 22:51
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Odessa was quite sucessful in protecting nazi leaders.
Just take a look.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ODESSA
ODESSA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language - German : Organisation der ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen, "Organization of Former SS-Members") is the name commonly given to an international http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism - Nazi network alleged to have been set up towards the end of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II - World War II by a group of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel - SS officers. Some historians, while acknowledging that there were secret postwar organisations of former SS members, deny that any organisation called ODESSA ever existed. The purpose of such groups was to establish and facilitate secret escape routes, called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_%28history%29 - ratlines , out of Germany to South America and the Middle East for hunted members. With alleged ties to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina - Argentina , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt - Egypt , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil - Brazil , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany - Germany , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy - Italy , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland - Switzerland , and the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City - Vatican , they operated out of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buenos_Aires - Buenos Aires and helped http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann - Adolf Eichmann , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele - Josef Mengele , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Priebke - Erich Priebke , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aribert_Heim - Aribert Heim , http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eduard_Roschmann&action=edit - Eduard Roschmann and many other SS members find refuge in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America - Latin America and the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East - Middle East . |
Posted By: DesertHistorian
Date Posted: 28-Apr-2007 at 03:08
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And that would different from all their other lies in what way?
The Soviets are all about lies and deceptions. It is what they live and breathe, so why would they not lie on a classified document?
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Posted By: Peteratwar
Date Posted: 30-Apr-2007 at 03:28
Never confuse the image which they want to portray compared with how they worked internally.
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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 30-Apr-2007 at 03:42
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Hitler's rotting existence carbonized at a backyard in berlin, sure ! ------------- 
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Posted By: DesertHistorian
Date Posted: 09-May-2007 at 02:32
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The internal Soviet deceptions were just as wide spread as any external deceptions. That is how they maintained control and made sure that only a few really knew what was going on.
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Posted By: DesertHistorian
Date Posted: 09-May-2007 at 02:36
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I thought he made it to Bayonne, New Jersey and started up a hofbrau there? Sort of an early version of "Dangerfield's" comedy club.
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Posted By: igm1
Date Posted: 09-May-2007 at 13:39
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A few Nazi's fled to Argentina, Eichmann was caught in Argentina. It was well known though that Hitler wished to remain in Berlin to the end ------------- "Its all over...for the unknown soldier..." |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-May-2007 at 03:50
Talking about nazis in Latin America, this is a photo I took today near Puebla: ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-May-2007 at 04:48
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He would have been rather conspicuous wherever he went, one of the 20th century's most recognisable visages. Couples with the whole being trapped in Berlin thing. Typicall conspiracy theory tarradiddle.
Mengele's story is pretty interesting though.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13-May-2007 at 13:03
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I really don't beleive that Hitler escaped, but many other Nazis did. Actually, for them it wouldn't have been very difficult to hide in religious german communities of the countryside, in places like Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay or Chile. In my country, for instance, a sect of Germans protestants founded in the 1960s with German immigrants that came directly from Germany and directed by a former nazi low rank officer, become quite famous. It was called "Colonia Dignidad" and it had a long history of crimes and mystery sourounding it. It is believe it collaborated with the represive dictatorship of Pinochet in killing political prisoners. During the dictatorship of Pinochet and a decade afterwards, it have the protection of right wing circles in Chile, and it was untouchable. Finally, the Chilean state intervine the colony and found out a couple of hundred German people living in a state of semi-slavery, drugged daily and it a serious mental breakdown. Even more, children were sexually abussed by the leader, Paul Schaffer, like a routine. It is very easy to suspect that Colony Dignidad it was a hide for Nazi refugees. This is not fiction but actually true. It was very commented in Chile.
Pinguin
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Posted By: Kapikulu
Date Posted: 15-May-2007 at 20:27
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This has been talked about for decades and nobody has been able to show any evidence regarding that. Josef Mengele, Nazi "death doctor" who played over Genetics has been found and caught in Argentina, though there is no information about rest of the gang, including Martin Bormann, who was claimed to have been ran away to South America. ------------- We gave up your happiness Your hope would be enough; we couldn't find neither; we made up sorrows for ourselves; we couldn't be consoled; A Strange Orhan Veli |
Posted By: Loknar
Date Posted: 16-May-2007 at 00:00
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Hitler was in bad health in 1945....Hell his physician was concerned that he would not survive for long.
Even if he did escape he did not survive for long. I seriousily doubt he ever escaped Berlin.
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Posted By: Ovidius
Date Posted: 26-May-2007 at 16:58
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I was actually Reading Newspapers from 1945 over the past few days and people are indeed right, this has been a rumour for decades. I think the Start of the Rumour really comes from a U-Boat that was 'missing' for a while and then finds itself in Argentina. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_977 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_977 It took 66 days to get to Argentina - Hitler "died" on the 28th April! :) Anyhow, its really interesting how seriously the rumours were taken in 1945 - people really didn't know what had happened to Hitler and very few people believed the official channels. Now, however, I think there is plenty of Oral evidence, from people who have no reason to lie. My favourite "escape attempt" has got to be Himmler! His disguise was just brilliant. An Eye Patch! He tried his best to fool the Allies with an EYE PATCH! |
Posted By: pebbles
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2009 at 16:08
Not CIA
 If I remember correctly.One local newspaper article written about America had CIA operatives in Brazil during WW 2 spied on Japanese descent and some were relocated to US concentration camps
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2009 at 17:29
Exactly. Same reason Saddam was executed. I don't see how a high profile target like him would get away for 2 decades. Other targets have been found and extradited and or imprisoned since then. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2009 at 17:35
One, a physician I believe (the name escapes me currently) was in S. America, too, and later left for Alexandria and lived there till death in the early to mid 90s. I had the article; got to see if I still have it. Yes Odessa was a real project by the high Nazi leadership to get out of Germany post-war. I am a little surprised that Hitler didn't try, but then again his chances wouldn't have been that high. He was too high profile; where some of the others were not as much. ------------- |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2009 at 17:41
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Hitler would never flee, he was too entrenched in his own visions and fantasies about how he envisaged himself, it would have been beyond his dignity and pride to flee in the face of the Soviet onslaught, which he himself regarded as subhuman scum not capable of such a thing... btw i move this to the new a alternative history forum. anyways if you care about his fate, the movie der Untergang is a descend place to start with and it also elaborates on the self-perseption of the Nazi elite (Hitler & Göbbels family) quite well... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2009 at 23:43
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I've seen the movie and thought it was well made and much more in line with his ideology than the theories about him fleeing.
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