Wolves to be re-introduced in Scotland?
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Topic: Wolves to be re-introduced in Scotland?
Posted By: vulkan02
Subject: Wolves to be re-introduced in Scotland?
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 12:45
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Wild wolves 'good for ecosystems'
Wolves, which were hunted to extinction in Scotland in the late 1700s, would help control the numbers of red deer, the team from the UK and Norway said. This would aid the re-establishment of plants and birds - currently hampered by the deer population, they write in Proceedings of the Royal Society B. But farmers say more livestock would be killed if wolves are reintroduced. The researchers' findings used a predator/prey model to assess the probable consequences on the Highland's red deer population. "There has been an ongoing debate about the possibility of reintroducing wolves to Scotland for some time," said co-author Tim Coulson, from Imperial College London. "So we thought that we would start the ball rolling by looking to see, using mathematical modelling approaches, what the possible impact of reintroducing wolves into Scotland would have on the red deer population."
The researchers found that the red deer population was close to reaching the maximum capacity that the ecosystem could support, and that costly culls were not proving to be economically effective. Since Scotland's wild wolf population died out, the UK's largest wild land animal has not had any natural predators to help control its numbers. "For example, many sheep farmers argue for fewer deer because they are concerned the deer compete with sheep for grazing," Dr Coulson told BBC News. "Many of the conservation organisations, especially those trying to reforest areas, also believe their numbers should be reduced. "Attempts to get forests to come back are going to be hindered by the fact that there are too many deer, which will munch away merrily on any young trees." Other groups, Dr Coulson added, were concerned that excessive deer numbers were having an impact on bird species, such as the capercaillie. The study found that the wolves would prey on the deer and would help rebalance the ecology, giving other tree and bird species a chance to establish themselves. Livestock worries But farming groups voiced concern and said that the introduction of wolves would hit their members.
Anna Davies, a spokeswoman for the National Farmers' Union in Scotland, said: "The reintroduction of wolves into the wild would present significant problems in terms of sheep predation, and that is the reason why it is not widely popular among farmers." Dr Coulson agreed that farmers would be affected but he added: "Typically, wolves do not go through and take out an entire flock; they will take individuals when they are hungry." The study also assessed people's attitudes towards the idea of releasing wolves into the wild. While the public were generally positive, people living in rural areas were more sensitive. "Although the farmers were slightly negative, they were not completely adverse to the idea provided they were adequately reimbursed for any lost stock," he said. But Miss Davies disagreed: "Any implication that farmers are simply concerned with support payments and not with the welfare and predation of their animals is unjustified. "Farmers suffer emotional as well as financial losses when they lose stock, as was demonstrated during the foot-and-mouth outbreak." Dr Coulson said he believed that any reintroduction plan was still a long way from becoming a reality. "Our research is just one of the first steps towards understanding the consequences of a wolf reintroduction in Scotland," he added.------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Farmers do not want the animals they care for being killed by wolves
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Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 12:47
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The novel called, "Last Wolf of Ireland" is a perfect example between the wolf-farmer relations. Not to mention that wolves in the early times were seen as the servants of evil... ------------- http://swagbucks.com/refer/Malachi"> 
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Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 16:28
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The Scottish Highlands attract many hill walkers; myself included. Personally I do not want to test if I can out run a deer or a farmers herd of sheep when a hungry wolf comes a hunting. I've heard it argued that these particular wolves will only kill deer and leave sheep and us lone hillwalkers alone (what a load of bullsh*t) Many unfortunate accidents happen in the Scottish Highlands and the last thing you want sniffing around you if you are injured/bleeding is a wolf supposed only out looking for deer. (Hey! Mr Wolf the deer your looking for went running off that way)  ------------- Scorpian |
Posted By: King John
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 16:59
| I think it's unfortunate that the wolf has gotten such a bad wrap. They are beautiful creatures who serve a needed role in the ecosystems they live in. They help to contorl the population of things like deer and rabits. Obviously the wolves will not only kill deer, they will also kill sheep. If you are walking on the hills of Scotland whether hiking or just strolling or meandering about you should not be doing it alone. Plus it could be worse they could want to introduce bears. |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 17:01
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This is great news and I can't wait if they do it.
What makes you think you have a right to be there and the wolves don't, Scorpian? You go for recreation; the wolves, it is their habitat, they were killed off.
Iranian peasant and his wolf
Khalkhal, Ardebil prov, Feb 14, IRNA-In an unprecedented event, a young Iranian peasant, Habib Mirzaee, lives with a wild wolf at his house in 'Alleh-Hashem' village near the northwestern city of Khalkhal in Ardebil province. ------------- |
Posted By: Adalwolf
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 17:17
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I think this is an awesome idea! I believe wolves should gradually be reintroduced to much of their former range! That is awesome Zagros, a man with a wild wolf...pet? companion? That would be really amazing... ------------- Concrete is heavy; iron is hard--but the grass will prevail. Edward Abbey |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 17:27
Or mountain lions.  In the US wolf populations have been successfully re established in many areas, including Yellowstone Nat. Park. I don't recall hearing of any wolf attacks on humans as a result. Wolves have gotten a reputation they don't deserve, they are a complex and beautiful animal, and in a sense have a stronger moral code than humans. [They don't kill for the fun of it, they only kill to eat]------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 17:31
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I think it is a companion rather than a pet - though that rope he has makes me have second thoughts.
In my home province man has again exercised his disregard for nature, along with the sound of shelling and bombs, in the winter you could hear the wolves howl from the nearby hills. I was 4 when I last heard it and I distinctly remember, it was spooky but fascinating - I knew what wolves were and they were feared. I went back in 2003 and upon those very same hills there were god damn high rises.
 I heard from some source that only 300 wild wolves survive in Iran and that only 20 years ago there were 10 thousand. Looks like they will go along with the leopards, caspian seals and cheetahs the way of our lions, tigers and brown bears. Sickening, especially since 100 years ago all of these roamed free. I weas not please when in 2003 I also saw a picture of my uncle posing with a dead brown bear he had killed some years back - he told me he had killed it in self defence... with a hunting rifle in the middle of no where?
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Posted By: New User
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 17:31
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hehe no we cannot let them live there....what about us precious humans and our leisure activities...lol
As long as farmers are helped to protect their livestock, yeah to the wolves.
I myself love walking etc but would happily budge over for some wolves, its only right. Besides how often do people get killed by wolves? Not a huge amount I would presume. We don't have much patience for any animal that does not fit neatly into our lives do we?
hehe
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Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 17:50
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Was their habitat but no more unless reintroduced. (was probs my ancestors who killed them off for killing their sheep herds)
Personally I've got nothing against wolves yet reckon they should not be reintroduced to Scotland without giving proper thought and consideration to every consequence concerning releasing them into the wilds. Any misshaps and the peeps who want them reintroduced should be made make proper recompense. The last wolf was supposed killed in 1743 but were reckoned extinct around 1680's. After 300 years without wolves in the wild reintroducing them into the environment is a bad idea. ------------- Scorpian |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 17:57
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It will add some much needed excitement to my trips up north, I can tell you that.
Anyway, I have a story about wolves in my province from 40 years ago which my dad told me. In Kermanshah it gets bitterly old in the winter and isn't unusual to get 20ft snow drifts - the wolves come to lower lands from the mountains because of the food scarcity. Wolves are highly intelligent animals and they hunt co-operatively in teams, for example when hunting faster pray, they set up victims gauntlet and relay it with chasers every so often. When the chase starts, they exhaust their pray by taking turns in chasing it down a pre determined path. One night during a particularly cold, long lasting and bitter winter, two men were driving their pick-up from Paveh back to Kermanshah city down a long, narrow winding road in the mountains during a blizzard, at least 20km from the nearest village, when they happened upon a wolf in the middle of the road, lying on its side with its head raised looking at them. They stopped, and were wondering what it was up to, whether it had been hit by a car, was ill or what? The wolf stood up with the length of its body turned towards the car, its head turned towards them, just glaring at them. By this time the engine had stopped, the driver couldn't get it to start again and needed to take a look at the engine. They had rifle in the car and the driver asked the passenger to take down the wolf so he could check the engine.... As the driver leaned out of the window to take aim at the wolf, others had surrounded the car... The passenger was dragged out of the car and torn apart by a whole pack of wolves, to the horror of the driver who heard him shriek for a good 30 seconds as his friend, colleague and passenger was torn apart.
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Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 18:00
how fast can you run  ------------- Scorpian |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 18:01
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I think it is a companion rather than a pet.
About 20 years ago in th US there was a fashion to have a wolf as a pet. Hybrid wolves, as they are called became the "in thing", until it was realized how unstable an animal they had created. By the laws of most states you cannot sell or own a hw that is half and half, they are the most unstable. The most desirable is 1/8 wolf, 7/8 pure dog, as they are relatively stable, although still potentially dangerous. ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 18:16
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Hey, look again at my previous post, I edited and added a story. ------------- |
Posted By: New User
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 18:25
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Linell and Mcvay reports found that:
Only 17 cases of people killed by wolves were found in the last 50 or so years in the whole of North America, Europe and Russia - 50 people in a human population of roughly a billion people.
 From 1965-2001 there was 431 fatal dog attacks in the US alone. |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 18:46
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Yes, as long as there's plenty of game for them to hunt, they will pose a minimal threat to humans. ------------- |
Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 19:06
Nice story Zagros  . I also grew up in a small town in Albania that got bitterly cold in the winter, and if I recall correctly sometimes you could hear their howls during particularly scarce winters when they came in close proximity to the city. We used to hear these sort of stories a lot especially of unfortunate immigrants crossing mountains trying to get Greece. Don't know about now though I doubt many are left alive. ------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 19:35
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I forgot to add, in the morning there was nothing but a scattering of bloody bones and torn clothes around the car. ------------- |
Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 21:18
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Yuck! Reminds me of this TV program I saw a while back about Siberian tigers and how one went berserk and ate four men in far east Russia. The only items that they found for each was their trashed boots and socks.
------------- The beginning of a revolution is in reality the end of a belief - Le Bon Destroy first and construction will look after itself - Mao |
Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2007 at 04:24
That's the type of incident that concerns me should these potentially dangerous animals be released. What would be the outcome should a child be killed?
Ultimately it would be the wolves themselves that would suffer though fortunately we have such laws that prohibit the release of dangerous animals into the wilds. (such release of these wolves will never happen legally).
I've a wee story of my own
I was driving down a forest track in a works landrover and had to slam hard on the brakes when a black shape ran out of the trees and then in front of me. I was thinking WTF and about to get out when I saw this black panther type bigcat appear and then disappear back into the trees. I saw it clearly for about 5seconds but I still doubted what I saw until I found out others had reported seeing similar.
I'd never have thought of seeing suchlike in Scotland but apparently when it became law in this country that prohibited owning dangerous animals without proper license peeps set their wild pets free illegally because they did not know what to do with them.
Similar if wolves are reintroduced to Scotland then they too would have been set free illegally and those responsible open for prosecution if caught.
p.s. I tried to post images but access was denied me due to not having sufficient permission. Are lowly punters like me being denied access to this pic uploady thing for a reason or has the server glitched again? ------------- Scorpian |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2007 at 08:32
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The conditions in Scotland are not so harsh as to drive wolves to such extremities when they normally will fear humans (there will be plenty of deer for them) and this was a very rare occassion that it happened 40 years ago and is still a famous story.
lowly punters lol... not at all - just put the url of the image between these tags [img ]imagelocation.com/image.jpg[/img ]
but remove the spaces that I have inserted in [img ] and [/img ] to make them visible to you.
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Posted By: Scorpian
Date Posted: 09-Mar-2007 at 12:13
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I've printed off your tip just in case though seems I'm now getting a script box and can now upload images via their URL.
I was looking more for the popup window that allows direct upload from my comp but beggars can't be choosers so thanks again. 
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Posted By: Knights
Date Posted: 13-Mar-2007 at 05:49
Of course wolves should be re-introduced into Scotland, they have every right to be there. If I took all the people out of Japan and they wanted to go back as it was where they belonged - let them!  There are not going to be any 'wolf attacks' really, but do keep an eye open of course. Although, careful planning must go into where and how they will be re-introduced, as bad timing or location could be disastrous.
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Posted By: tommy
Date Posted: 13-Mar-2007 at 09:27
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And the wolves have been introduced to Yellowstone ------------- leung |
Posted By: Lotus
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2007 at 07:29
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There’s a wolf conservation park quite near to us, if you’re a member you get to go on woodland walks to view the wolves. http://ukwolf.org/ - http://ukwolf.org/ They are magnificent creatures, it would be great to have them roaming wild again. Gallery here http://ukwolf.org/uk-wolf/gallery/ - http://ukwolf.org/uk-wolf/gallery/ |
Posted By: Knights
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2007 at 07:31
Great site Lotus  Now all they need is Brown Bears... Does anyone believe that there is any hope for the re-introduction of Brown Bears into Britain?
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Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2007 at 14:36
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I don't know... Britain is quite crowded already... and their free space is running out. Maybe mass emmigration out of Britain these days may help...? ------------- http://swagbucks.com/refer/Malachi">
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2007 at 14:55
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England, not Scotland. there are twice as many people in London as there are in teh whole of Scotland and Scotland is 70% the size of England.
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Posted By: SearchAndDestroy
Date Posted: 15-Mar-2007 at 16:35
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Wolves have gotten a bad rap. There isn't a single Wolf attack on record yet in the United States. Yet we still wiped them out.
On brown bears being introduced. Aren't Browns the most violent of the bears. Most are endangered too. ------------- "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." E.Abbey 
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Posted By: Knights
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2007 at 15:23
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Do you mean that brown bears are notorious for going out of their way to cause havoc/attack? I'm not sure this i s true but I could be wrong. The Brown Bear subspecies they would have to repopulate with would be the European (Ursus arctos arctos) Brown Bear. This is the smallest subspecies of Brown Bear. I am not sure of exact calculations, but I would imagine there are still a few thousand at the least, remaining in the wild ... though this is the case, repopulation/translocation might be a good option for increasing population to counter their dwindling numbers.
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Posted By: tommy
Date Posted: 21-Mar-2007 at 19:06
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From my understanding, there is livestock raising in Scotland(sheep), will this affect the industry ------------- leung |
Posted By: Knights
Date Posted: 22-Mar-2007 at 07:30
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If proper precautions are taken regarding the safety of livestock the chance of problems occurring will be greatly minimised. For example, new fencing, gates, compounds, night paddocks.etc.
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Posted By: Windemere
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2007 at 00:35
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Wolves were exterminated from New England (Northeastern U.S.A.) back in the 1700's. By the 1800's the forests also had been mostly exterminated, replaced by farms. The farms were mostly gone by the early 1900's as people moved into cities, and forests grew back in many parts of New England. Wolves returned to, and they didn't have to be re-introduced by humans, they migrated in naturally, coming down from the Maritime provinces of Canada (where they had continued to exist). These "new" wolves are partially naturally hybridized with coyotes (a species of small wolf which migrated in at the same time, coming from western U.S.A.). They are quite common now but very secretive, hardly ever seen. I've only had 3 sightings, once one was on a path in the woods on a dead deer carcass left by hunters, once one crossed the road in front of me while I was driving, and once I saw a nursing female with heavy teats in a suburban field. I also saw the carcass of one on a highway where it had been hit by a car. They are very cautious, timid, and secretive and do everything they can to avoid humans. The only problems with them over the last 50 years, since they've returned, have been livestock kills (few and far between, usually calves and sheep) though they've also been known to prey on domestic cats. Rabies is prevalent in New England, usually affecting foxes, skunks, raccoons, etc., but occasionally a wolf will be infected, and that is the only time that they've been known to attack a human. ------------- Windemere |
Posted By: Darius of Parsa
Date Posted: 08-Nov-2007 at 04:43
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I don't think it is right to release wild animals on or near a farmer's property. The transports to get the wolves to the destination would cost money, and the replenishing of livestock would be costly as well. ------------- What is the officer problem? |
Posted By: PADDYBOY
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2011 at 09:32
Without a doubt. Wolves will take the easiest prey and if sheep are easier to catch and kill than deer, then wolves will target them.
but I don't care. The wolves were cleared out of Scotland to make way for people and then the people were cleared out to make way for sheep (Highland Clearances) so if the sheep are cleared out to make way for wolves, then so be it.
It's funny the way things move in circles sometimes. Good luck to the wolves is what I say. ------------- |
Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2011 at 10:33
| U.S. authorities pay ranchers compensation for wolf killed livestock near Yellow Stone national park. The re introduction of wolves into Yellow Stone has not been a disaster for the ranching industry and some ranchers now even support re introduction programs so long as there are controls. |
Posted By: PADDYBOY
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2011 at 13:09
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It's not so much that they kill sheep but more about the manner in which they kill them, A bear for instance will swipe a sheep, killing it instantly and devouring it at its own leasure. Three or four wolves on the other hand, will rip the sheep's face off, disembowel it and proceed to eat it alive, from the inside out. Pass this little gem of information over to the British public and their squeamish little tummies will turn upside down and no matter how hard you work at convincing them that over population of deer herds is much crueler to not only the deer, but countless other species and the enviroment....they just wont get it. Which leaves us with the big bad wolf...
I'd love to see wolves re-introduced to Britain, but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting. ------------- |
Posted By: unclefred
Date Posted: 19-Jul-2011 at 13:45
| My guess would be the excess deer population has more to do with excess hunting restrictions. Meanwhile, government scientists get new furry toys to play with, and make public access to the wild slim and difficult. At least that's the story in my state. |
Posted By: PADDYBOY
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 05:43
Pretty much, unclefred. Here in the UK it's very difficult to get a shotgun licence never mind a rifle licence. Another problem with deer stalking is the remoteness of the deer-lands. Back in 1986 when we had the chernobyl disaster, venison was deemed unfit for human consumption due to radiation fallout and that's when the deer population got out of control. I remember when some of the estates were offering free deer hunting to anyone with a rifle licence on condition that they removed the carcasses from the land. Now unless you also had a horse (or a helicopter) or shoulders like desperate Dan ? you weren't going to be carrying many deer home. It's interesting today on some of the sites advertising deer stalking in Scotland, when they refer to the chronic overpopulation of deer and yet, these are the same people who are opposed to the introduction of the wolf. Claiming that the deer population isn't that bad..really ???? Deer stalking in Scotland involves a lot of walking and I guess they fear that wolves lurking around may put some of their customers off. ------------- |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 08:45
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I must nod in the direction of unclefred and Paddboy, above with their well thought out solution to the problems.
A lot of farmers, or small garden tenders, only see deer as a giant forest rat that constantly destroys crops, etc. And, as well when deer populations become too large for the environment, they also destroy small trees, and other plants, especially if this population is hit by a period of very bad weather. It is the reluctance of England, etc., to allow the culling of the deer population via weapons, that creates the problem. Men will hunt for venison for the most part, or maybe even a bounty could be paid for each carcass if need be? Bounties were paid in the American Colonies for wolves, coyotes, squirrels, etc., well up into the 19th century in many states, and even into the 20th century in some states. So there exists but two alternatives, either hunt or poison the excess population or use predators like wolves to solve the problem. Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 09:48
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America's New Wolves, Gene Letourneu, 1950's. Gene started tracking the reports of Hybrid wolves/coy dogs in the late 1940's. His Boston Globe column "Sporstman Say" carried his early research into the resurgence of the animal. The deer population was in decline at the time, and people were looking for reasons.
Gene Letourneu was considered the "Dean of Maine Outdoors Writers". He was a regular contributor to "Sports Afield" and "Field and Stream". His column "Sportsmen Say" was syndicated in some 20 dailys. It took the Maine Fish and Wildlife folks 10 years to catch up to his research.
He was a good friend and I feel honored to have known him.
BTW- The post above stated that the Coyotes migrated east. No, the Coyote we have in the Eastern US is another hybrid. It's usually called a "Coy Dog". It's a hybrid of the domestic dog and the now almost extinct "Eastern Coyote".
Believe it or not, New Jersey is one of the last places to find an Eastern Coyote. They still run in the Pinelands. About 2-3 times a year one is found as a roadkill.
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Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 10:46
I have always been amazed that there is a large, wild area on the out skirts of the New York / Philidelphia metropolitan areas.
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Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 11:05
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In Poland we got wolves in the mountains. Its not really expensive, goverment just need to spent about just few millions euros a year for farmers who lost sheeps or cows, especially when the winter is hard, this is very low cost I think. Also the dogs are often able to defend their sheeps from wolves. ------------- "I am a pure-blooded Polish nobleman, without a single drop of bad blood, certainly not German blood" - Friedrich Nietzsche |
Posted By: PADDYBOY
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 11:18
That's a good point. Mosquito. I remember reading somewhere? that farmers take domestic dog pups and place them with the lambs from a young age. The dog pups grow up alongside the lambs and live alongside them in the fields, where they actually view the sheep as members of the pack. When wolves attack the sheep, the dogs protect their sheep-pack. ------------- |
Posted By: Mosquito
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 12:23
Those dogs got it already in their genes. When you got such dog he treats you and your familly exactly in the same way, like lambs :) The parents of my ex wife had such dog, a race called Polish Tatra Sheepdog.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Tatra_Sheepdog - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Tatra_Sheepdog
2-3 such dogs can defend the lambs even from the whole wolfpack. There were cases that even one such dog forced to retreat 5 wolves. I saw myself when this dog was attacked by the Rottweiler and defeated him in about 2 seconds.
The funny thing is that this dog is often patroling the house and the gardern checking if all familly members are present and safe.
------------- "I am a pure-blooded Polish nobleman, without a single drop of bad blood, certainly not German blood" - Friedrich Nietzsche |
Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 13:13
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A good Collie, one whose bloodlines haven't been screwed with, will do much the same. They were bred to be both a herd protector and a "Cottage Dog". ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2011 at 13:28
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My only comment is to say my sympathy lies more with wolves; then with the ineptness of researchers and interests groups and governement agencies. Who, in their arrogance, attempt to control nature for and at the benifit of men only....with little consideration other then for a profit margin. However that is obtained....and for what ever reason. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 21-Jul-2011 at 15:59
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If you want some numbers, from my bad memory, I seem to remember that at least ten years ago, the population of coyotes in the state of Mississippi was over 100,000!
I can only imagine what it is today! Regards, ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |