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Topic: Favorite armor.
Posted By: Keltoi
Subject: Favorite armor.
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 15:42

What armor really appeals to you.

I really like the unique, but effective armor that the Polish winged hussars used. It looked great, and performed just as well.

http://www.rencentral.com/sept_vol1/hussars.shtml - http://www.rencentral.com/sept_vol1/hussars.shtml

http://www.medieval-weaponry.com/en-us/dept_707.html - http://www.medieval-weaponry.com/en-us/dept_707.html

The mongols also had an amazing armor. As many of you know, they used silk and leather. The silk would allow arrows to be removed easily and this combination was very light.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 16:35

Brigandine,  that is what I would wear if going on the front lines

Terribly sorry I was in a rush.  To be specific leather brigandine,  nice and flexible and light but still tough and can be repaired by a soldier.



Posted By: Keltoi
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 16:40
Could you please explain why?

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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 18:02

my favorite armor in terms of appearance in no doubt Japanese armor.

In terms of effectiveness I caould really argue anyones case, but I also really like mid Ottoman armor with the slim plates and lots so chain.

Most effective from what historical sources Ive read would be Tibetan armor though.  In reports from Turks, Arabs, and Chinese it is mentioned how good Tibetan armor was and how it stopped arows much better thna most others.



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Posted By: demon
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 19:48

In terms of design- depends, but a Japanese samurai armor looks scary, while aztec eagle warrior armor looks fancy, and Korean ones look colorful.  China is a mixture of hybrid as far as I can see. 

But did anyone realize that teutonic knights wore 10 layers of chail mail armor?  That msut have been pretty tough



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 19:54
Makes since,  they could pretty much take any other troop unless they were knocked over,  then I could imagine they would be in a tricky situation


Posted By: fastspawn
Date Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 21:59
mongolian silk armor.

A silk shirt designed not to prevent slashes,stabs or other injuries but just so that it is easier to pull out the head of the arrow if it hits you.


Posted By: YusakuJon3
Date Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 18:54
I find that I like the armor worn by Roman legions, especially the elite corps.  It looks light and flexible, but is tough at the same time.  Too bad they couldn't have thought of adopting a silk undershirt for added protection against arrows the way that Mongols did, but that big shield of theirs did most of the work anyway.  Just drop the shield below eye level long enough to let that pilum fly, then charge in with the gladius swinging...

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Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 16:37

Anything chainmail, when I worked in a butcher's shop we had chain mail gloves and those things wouldn't let anything slice you, besides if you wore extra layers like demon said for the teutonic knights you'd pretty much be immune to arrows. Although ten layers would be a little much, maybe 3 or so.......

Just drop the shield below eye level long enough to let that pilum fly, then charge in with the gladius swinging...

This is all irrelevant but wasn't the gladius a thrusting sword?



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Posted By: Tonifranz
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 16:49

The European Plate armor of the 1400s! It covered everything, and I mean everything, and it dominated European battlefields for 100 years till the invention of firearms. Though pictured in movies as heavy and cumbersome, it's actually pretty effective in the Battlefield with the right tactics (not the French tactics of charging English longbowmen in the field, but one that uses the advantages of the knights relative invulnerability in hand to hand combat).



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 19:41
Actually I was recently reading about carbon reinforced plate armor,  that is definetely buying protection isn't it?


Posted By: Gubook Janggoon
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 21:38
Those Polish winged hussars look cool...what was the point of those wings though? decoration? I like Northern native American armor...Those bone vests look soo cool

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Posted By: Roughneck
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 22:12
From what I understand the wings were supposed to make a frightening noise that scared the other side's horses.  This is just what I read, so no, I don't know how to reconcile the obvious contradiction of why didn't it scare the Polish horses.  Maybe by training with them the Polish horses were no longer scared of the sound.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 22:36
The horses were probably conditioned to not be afraid of the wings,  the same way horses of the middle east were not afraid of camels scent because they had been around them.


Posted By: Keltoi
Date Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 18:19
No, it was used to block their backs from swords from behind.

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Posted By: demon
Date Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 18:32

To me, they just look heavy...maybe it was used during cav vs cav confontation where you bash an enemy passing closely by with the wide wing...you know what I'm saying?

But, True, Polish Hussars are remarkable.



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Posted By: Gubook Janggoon
Date Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 20:25
Wow so many ideas...iono what they're for but they look crazy.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 22:54
Actually I was wondering,  for Tuetonic Knights,  how did they walk with all that armor on?  Or did they ride on horse back?(sorry I don't much about them other than they were quite powerful)


Posted By: warhead
Date Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 23:42

"mongolian silk armor.

A silk shirt designed not to prevent slashes,stabs or other injuries but just so that it is easier to pull out the head of the arrow if it hits you."

 

Silk armour is not an mongolian invention nor is the mongols strongly revolutionized it in any way, silk only made up the minority of the mongol armour, its the Manchus that start to wear silk armour in great quantity.



Posted By: fastspawn
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2004 at 11:08
But if the Mongols came before the Manchus, how is that logically possible?

I am quite certain that the Mongols were the first to wear silk as a protection against arrows.




Posted By: Keltoi
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2004 at 14:05
Originally posted by warhead

in great quantity.

Read the whole post next time

 



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Posted By: warhead
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2004 at 15:49

"But if the Mongols came before the Manchus, how is that logically possible?"

 

? The mongols never used silk armour in great quantity as it was expensive and lacking, on the other hand the manchu bannerman wore excessive silk as protection.

 


"I am quite certain that the Mongols were the first to wear silk as a protection against arrows."

 

I do remember reading that some turkish people wore it before them. And if I wasn't mistaken so did the Jin. Its not hard to believe considering silk has been around for a long time.



Posted By: ihsan
Date Posted: 25-Aug-2004 at 14:44
Hmm, I like many types of armor; such as the segmented armor worn by the Roman legionaries in the 1st-2nd centuries AD, lamellar armor worn by many peoples (especially those of Byzantine Romans and Turks), chain armor of the medieval times, Ottoman chain-plate mixed armor of 15th-16th centuries and definitially the Japanese samurai armor.

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Posted By: Hwarang
Date Posted: 27-Aug-2004 at 18:18
I really like korean armor like koguryo armor and i like samurai armor too.

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Posted By: hannibal
Date Posted: 27-Aug-2004 at 23:42

Keltoi's armor is really beautiful,

As China has about several thousand years history, I can  list a part of armors appeared in its history.

from 2000BC. to 19th century.

http://zh1110.nease.net/OTHER/zgjbkj.htm - http://zh1110.nease.net/OTHER/zgjbkj.htm

http://www.historylink101.net/china/armor.htm - http://www.historylink101.net/china/armor.htm



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Posted By: Mangudai
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2004 at 14:45

I'm most interested in european 14th century armour - when the armour developed from simple maille to advanced plate armour. I'm actually currently working on a suite of armour from the early 14th century - a combination of maille, leather and plate armour. It will look something like this:

http://www.historiska.se/histvarld/drakter/1300sla/1300slafr.htm - http://www.historiska.se/histvarld/drakter/1300sla/1300slafr .htm

/Mikael



Posted By: Gubook Janggoon
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2004 at 19:25
Wow your making it!  very cool!

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Posted By: ihsan
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2004 at 15:40

You're surely an interesting person, Mangudai

(btw, welcome *back* to AE)



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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2004 at 15:44
this silk armour you're talking about....do you mean brigandine or what?

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Posted By: fastspawn
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2004 at 19:25
what is brigandine? is it like leather?
No silk armor is just a silk undershirt. It is not meant to prevent or deflect blows or arrows. Rather it is to prevent arrows from being embedded into one's flesh. (you just pull on the undershirt, to remove the arrow.)


Posted By: warhead
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2004 at 19:41
Umm, the Manchu cavalry silk armour seems to be on the outside,


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2004 at 19:53

what is brigandine? is it like leather?

Brigandine armor,  if I am correct was an armor used by the Spanish mainly,  it was made of layers of hard leather strips that were riveted together,  a soldier could repair it,  it was pretty light(about six pounds) and very sturdy.



Posted By: fastspawn
Date Posted: 30-Aug-2004 at 23:05

Originally posted by warhead

Umm, the Manchu cavalry silk armour seems to be on the outside,

 

The mongols had it on the inside.



Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 31-Aug-2004 at 12:36
brigandine is fabric over plate, the Manchu are prbably most famous for it, but it was also known int eh west.

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Posted By: Mangudai
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2004 at 06:55
Originally posted by ihsan

You're surely an interesting person, Mangudai

(btw, welcome *back* to AE)

Thanks mate!

Btw, speaking of "silk armour" - have anyone actually tested that material against arrows in modern tests_



Posted By: TMPikachu
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2004 at 10:24
Originally posted by Huitzilopochtli

what is brigandine? is it like leather?

Brigandine armor,  if I am correct was an armor used by the Spanish mainly,  it was made of layers of hard leather strips that were riveted together,  a soldier could repair it,  it was pretty light(about six pounds) and very sturdy.

can also be made of metal plates.

 

My favorite... mountain pattern scale, an armour exclusively produced in China (and possibly Korea). It's like the final step in the evolution of scale armors (scale->lamellar->Mountan pattern scale)

http://www.flatbow.com/shanwenkia/ - http://www.flatbow.com/shanwenkia/  that website explains what it is

I've only seen it rendered in art though, if there are any remaining suits of it still existing, they aren't on display.



Posted By: demon
Date Posted: 05-Sep-2004 at 10:42
Wow...excellent armor

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Posted By: lars573
Date Posted: 13-Sep-2004 at 23:55
I've seen a couple of really keen suits of japanese armour depicted (especially Fukoshimas) in Kessen for the PS2. The black Lorica segmentia (legionary armour) of the praetorian guard was pretty cool too. Another good one is the full dress gear of the british Royal Horse Guards. There the guys who follow the queens carriage in royal processions.


Posted By: Yiannis
Date Posted: 14-Sep-2004 at 07:14

For it's era this kind of armor was, probably, the best in this part of the world.

GREEK HELMETS:

Corinthian (Infantry, 7th-5th century BC)

Boeotian (Cavalry, 5th-2nd century BC)

Phrygian (Infantry, 5th-2nd century BC, usede mainly by Ionian Greeks and Alexander's troops)

Attic helmet (Infantry, 5th-2nd century BC)

Breastplates (Thorax, Argos, 8th century BC-one of the early ones):

Breastplates (Thorax, Greek Apulia, 4th century BC):

Other types of armor were made out of Linen (Linothorax). They were lighter, offered good protection and were not as hot! Here's what Linothorax looked like: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1855328674/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-5952402-4879842#reader-page - http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1855328674/ref=sib_dp_pt/103 -5952402-4879842#reader-page  (sometimes leather was used instead)

leg guards:

Overall:

 

 



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Posted By: white dragon
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2004 at 19:15
i'd have to say anything flexible and light

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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2004 at 21:59
I find Japanese armor th ecoolest looking, but Tibetan armor is what Id most bet to save my life in a tight spot.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11-Nov-2004 at 22:10
OMG! U GUZ R SO RONG! I REKON DA BEST ARMOR IS DA MITHRIL ARMOR FRODO HAS ON DA BIT WIT THE ORCS!


Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 11-Nov-2004 at 22:48
So you like lord of the rings, do you also happen to be a troll?

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11-Nov-2004 at 23:12

NO THATS NOT LORD OF THE RINGS THATS FROM WARCRAFT3!!!!

WAT DOES TROLL MEAN?>?>??



Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 12-Nov-2004 at 11:47

Sorry its just impolite to use all caps when typing in a message board, it's something like the equivalent of shouting.

Anyway a troll is someone who spams a message board with nonsensical posts, we currently have a troll on the loose. Are you a reasonable person or are you a troll, I haven't figured it out. If your a reasonable person, I'm sorry if my last post offended you. If your a troll however........



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Posted By: Degredado
Date Posted: 12-Nov-2004 at 13:55
Isn't there an uglier word than troll?

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12-Nov-2004 at 14:07
Originally posted by Degredado

Isn't there an uglier word than troll?

Normally Hitler would sound more offensive, but not in this case I think...


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