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Topic: Kyrgyz - the oldest nation in CA.
Posted By: Kyrgyzbay
Subject: Kyrgyz - the oldest nation in CA.
Date Posted: 20-Dec-2004 at 04:50

Dear friends,

Let’s discuss about Kyrgyz – one of the oldest nation of Central Asialace, the nation whose history was very hard and severe. The nation who presented to humanity the biggest epos of the world “MANAS”.

Kyrgyz - nomads who appears apx. 2200 years ago.  Some Kyrgyz tribes became Kazakhs and Uzbeks.

Kyrgyz during this long way were in fight with a lot of neighbors like Chinese, jungars, kalmyks, Russians etc.

Kyrgyz in 9 century broke the uigur kaganat and established a new large empire named "Kyrgyz kaganat". This empire was very big and has parts of present Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, China and Uzbekistan. After 140 years, Kyrgyz could not control such a big territory and some part were loosed. Today Kyrgyz Republic is small country where the people remember about the great history of small nation.




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Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 20-Dec-2004 at 05:05

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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 20-Dec-2004 at 09:02
We had a discussion about kyrgyz langauge here: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=786 - http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=786

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Posted By: Mustafa
Date Posted: 21-Dec-2004 at 02:12

Kyrgyzbay, I would love to talk about your language. Unfortunately, I could not find much to read in Kyrgyz on the internet since you guys still write in Cyrillic (which I cannot read). Is there a plan to implement a latin alphabet at some point? Or, is there any kind of textbook for either English, German or Turkis speakers who want to learn Kyrgyz without having to learn cyrillic?

Take care,

Mustafa



Posted By: Kyrgyzbay
Date Posted: 22-Dec-2004 at 06:19

Dear Mustafa,

You are right kyrgyz use cyrillic and there is no any way to use latin letters in coming future, because there are a lot of problems like finance, education, retrainings etc. Presently I do not know whether we have books like you need, but i can recommend you to visit http://www.kyrgyzstan.us - www.kyrgyzstan.us It's site where the kyrgyz talks with each other all the people are able to speak english, russian, turkish and german I hope they will be able to recommend you something for learning kyrgyz without learning cirillic letters. 

But I have to mark that it is not a big problem to learn cirillic. Its very easy. 

Good luck!

Kyrgyzbay



Posted By: dark_one
Date Posted: 22-Dec-2004 at 18:27
Cyrillic is actually not that differrrent from the latin Alphabet. Also I do not think that Kyrgyzstan will change alphabets anytime soon.


Posted By: Mustafa
Date Posted: 22-Dec-2004 at 23:53

Thank you both for your help. I will visit that website that Kyrgyzbay recommended. As to Cyrillic. I know it's not that difficult to learn...so maybe I should just sit on my butt and learn it once I have the time.  The problem is, of course, that cyrillic is pronounce differently in russian and kyrgyz, so if I learn the more accessible russian pronunciation it won't help me all that much. Is there a transliteration table for Kyrgyz cyrillic and latin pronunciation?

Mustafa



Posted By: Kyrgyzbay
Date Posted: 26-Dec-2004 at 23:03

Mustafa,

You are right the pronunciation are very very different and more over kyrgyz language has additional letters. It would be better if could find kyrgyz people and start to talk. This is the best way to learn language. I can also recommend you to live just for 3 month in kyrgyz village and after that you will be the best. As for the transliteration you can find it at the same website.



Posted By: pytheas
Date Posted: 07-Jan-2005 at 01:36

Thanks for the history of your homeland kyrgyzbay...I would love to learn more details of your past.  If you have the time, could you write more history?

Thank you!

 



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Posted By: ihsan
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2005 at 12:55

Kyrgyz in 9 century broke the uigur kaganat and established a new large empire named "Kyrgyz kaganat". This empire was very big and has parts of present Kazakhstan, Russia, Mongolia, China and Uzbekistan.

Was it that big? I don't think so



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Posted By: Chono
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2005 at 05:22

Could you roughly tell us about the content of Manas? And how long is it?



Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 10-Jan-2005 at 12:40

well, it's the second longest epic of the world, and it's about a boy that becomes khan of the kyrgyz and get'S his bride stolen and retakes it in camapign...bascally similar to Temujins own life...

http://www.freenet.kg/kyrgyzstan/epos.html - http://www.freenet.kg/kyrgyzstan/epos.html

http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/bashiri/Manas/manas.html - http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/bashiri/Manas/manas.html



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Jan-2005 at 16:47
Hello everyone,

I should say that Manas - is the biggest epic in the world. It contains about 500 000 lines.  It was created long before Chyngyzkan was born :-) Recently, Kyrgyz Republic celebrated the millenium of this epos (in 1995 I guess).  Manas is very unusual epic, a real manaschy, a man, who tells Manas, has some kind of vision.

This epic tells about how kyrgyz people fought for their freedom. Manas, his son Seytek, and grandson Semetey have been the leaders of kyrgyz people.


Posted By: ihsan
Date Posted: 16-Jan-2005 at 06:04

Hi Manap, welcome.

Weird thing is that AFAIK Manas takes place at a time when the Kyrgyz met with Islam while the Kalmuks were ruling Central Asia - doesn't this make Manas a 16th century epic?

Please enlighten us.



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Posted By: Chono
Date Posted: 16-Jan-2005 at 06:30
I read in a german book that tibetan "kíng Gesar" was the longest, anyway, are there any other lyrical heroic epos among kyrgyz?


Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 16-Jan-2005 at 15:56
I always thought a north american indian epic was the longest...

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22-Jan-2005 at 14:10
Hi everybody again, thanks for the interest in Kyrgyz and its culture.

Chono, indeed, there are quite a few other kyrgyz epics, "Kojojash", "Janysh Baiysh", "Er Tabyldy", etc.

ihsan, many scientists think that epic Manas is based on real stories, which took place long time ago, and nobody exactly knows what period of time it describes. Generally, it doesn't describe some certain period of time, or certain events. Manas was modified during many centuries by kyrgyz people, and at some point, Islam was also added I guess.


Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 23-Jan-2005 at 19:49
When I saw Khirgiz oldest nation in CA I was like...in California? lol

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Posted By: ihsan
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2005 at 16:30

Ok thanx Manap

Would you like to join my Steppe History Forum? It's url is http://steppes.proboards23.com - http://steppes.proboards23.com



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Posted By: Kyrgyzbay
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2005 at 06:15

hi to everybody! And thank you for your interest.

Sorry for my absance.

Really Manas describes the culture, style of life and history of the kyrgyz people. Once you read this epic you will understand how long was the way for freedom of kyrgyz people. This epic includes a lot of fights with the Jungars, chinese, relationships with the other neibour nations, traditions. And somewhere the epic descibes fights between Manas and Dragon. The scientists prooved that this dragon was real. Saying dragon they meant chinese. Because kyrgyz were in fight with the chinese. So manaschies just accentuated how the enemy was awful.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 16-Oct-2006 at 21:46
is there any english version of Manas


Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 17-Oct-2006 at 08:30
I'd like to remind that the area of Osh/Uzgen really is an ancient settled area, it looks amazing. I think it was a major city of capitol of the Karakhanids, the first large powerfull Turko-Muslim state, stretching all across Central Asia. Their literature, culture and architecture flourished. During this time, Kashgari Mahmud, Yusuf Has Hajib and others wrote the early great Turkic works. They built CaravanSarays, new original architectural styles in their mausoleums, towers, civic buildings, mosques. You can see the influence of the Nomadic Turkic style being incorporated into sedentry architectural styles in their complexes.

Osh-Uzgen Kirgizistan has some of the earliest Turkic examples of Turko-Islamic architecture, plus pre-Islamic monuments. There were recently many statues and ruins found in that area, more and more keeps being uncovered. Sadly alot was forgotten and burned after the Mongols torched the area.

However, alot remains, it seems after areas were depopulated their buildings remained but people had fled and in time it became a ghost town.

There's alot of history in that area, hopefully more archeaologists will conduct studies there.    

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Posted By: Turk Nomad
Date Posted: 17-Oct-2006 at 10:59

I heard Kyrguzs are one of the oldest Turkic Tribes.I red Manas legend and I love it!

Kyrguz Turks know our oghuz legends?Ever read?(Like Ergenekon)


Posted By: Turkoglu
Date Posted: 25-Oct-2006 at 17:46
Kirgiz Village in Turkey.
 
Kirgiz of Pamir had been settled in Turkey in 1982 by the President Kenan Evren. The village Ulupamir is in Van-Erciş i think they are 2000 or something nowa days. They wrote letters to the goverments of Turkey and USA when they were at exile in Afghanistan and they choose Turkey because of cultural and ethnic reasons.
 
You can watch the documentary film "37 uses for a dead sheep - the story of the Pamir Kirghiz" for more information.
 
Here is some pictures.
 
 
http://www.aksiyon.com.tr/resim/558/56.jpg">
 


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Posted By: GhengisKhan
Date Posted: 11-Nov-2006 at 05:20

ı love kyrguzs =)



Posted By: niki
Date Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 05:13
The Kyrgyz of Eastern Turkestan
 
From Afghanistan
 
This one is Hajji Turdu Akhun, the Kyrgyz deputy in Loya Jirga
Follow this link. http://www.juldu.com - www.juldu.com to get more pictures of Afghan Kyrgyz
 
The Kyrgyz of Pamir
 
My favourite one - the Kyrgyz hunter from Pamir. Very audacious photo
 


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Posted By: niki
Date Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 05:23
Inside a yurt
Left (Male's) side
 
Central part (for guests)
 
 
Right side (Female's, kitchen)
 
http://elbilge.ucoz.com/_ph/6/2/665999276.jpg">
 


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Posted By: niki
Date Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 05:30
 
Girl from Afghan Pamirs (Little Pamir)


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Posted By: niki
Date Posted: 07-Jun-2007 at 05:36

The kyrgyz felt carpet - SHYRDAK



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