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Do Uygur Turks have martial arts styles?

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Topic: Do Uygur Turks have martial arts styles?
Posted By: Bulldog
Subject: Do Uygur Turks have martial arts styles?
Date Posted: 03-Nov-2006 at 17:17
Its something I always wondered about, do Uygur Turks have their own martial arts styles?

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Posted By: BigL
Date Posted: 03-Nov-2006 at 20:19
martial cavalry arts like horse archery but not sure of any Kung fu style types


Posted By: EGETRK
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2006 at 04:27
i propose you this book
 
''Uygur karızlarına yolculuk'' kaynak yayınları by Dursun ZDEN
 
you can find a lot of things about Uighur Trk Civilization in tihs book


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Posted By: Krum
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2006 at 17:50
I dont know for Uygur Turks but Bulgars had martial arts.But exactly in this moment i have no idea what is its name.

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Posted By: barbar
Date Posted: 07-Nov-2006 at 10:03

No, we don't have martial art, maybe we used to have in the history, I've never heard of this.

BTW, Is there any need for that, while it is not practical?

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Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 07-Nov-2006 at 13:01
wrestling is allso considered a form of martial art


Posted By: Scytho-Sarmatian
Date Posted: 09-Nov-2006 at 04:02
Originally posted by Krum

I dont know for Uygur Turks but Bulgars had martial arts.But exactly in this moment i have no idea what is its name.
 
The Bulgars had a martial art?  That's fascinating!  Please tell us more, if you can.


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Posted By: the_oz
Date Posted: 09-Nov-2006 at 15:27
I only know "Sayokan" it is a Seljuk martial art.


Posted By: shinai
Date Posted: 09-Nov-2006 at 17:10

what is Sayokan ?



Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 09-Nov-2006 at 18:29
Its based upon an old Turkic martial arts which apparently exist in Chinease records where they recorded that some Turkic communities had "Alp"/"Alplik" schools where it was taught and developed. I think they were Buddhist or Tengrist in that era.

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Posted By: barbar
Date Posted: 10-Nov-2006 at 13:29
Originally posted by xi_tujue

wrestling is allso considered a form of martial art

    
Then, it is very popular among Uyghurs.



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Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 10-Nov-2006 at 14:24
among all the turks and everybody else


Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 10-Nov-2006 at 14:25
among all the turks and everybody else


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 27-Nov-2006 at 13:19
http://www.sayokan.co.uk/

http://www.sayokankaradeniz.com/

And there are a few more sites too.  Not sure on the history but it's to be fairly recent.




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Posted By: Liudovik_Nemski
Date Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 10:08
Originally posted by Krum

I dont know for Uygur Turks but Bulgars had martial arts.But exactly in this moment i have no idea what is its name.


Bu-Vei
the original is an eastern roman drawing




Posted By: Sarmat
Date Posted: 31-Jul-2007 at 10:15
Everybody had its own martial styles.
 
Nevertheless, MMA competitions showed uselessness of "Traditional Oriental Martial Arts". Classical boxing and wrestling are much more deadly.
 
Different wrestling styles which existed among Turkic nomades IMO were far more effective than so called "Chinese Martial Arts."
 
BTW, Turkic wrestling styles, for example Kazakh and  Uzbek "kuresh" was used for the creation of the arguably best MA in the world "Russian sambo"
 
The basic technic of the best MMA fighter in the world Fedor Emelianenko is "Sambo", not fancy kung-fu or taekwondo which are totally useless in a real fight.
 
 
 


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Posted By: Timbol
Date Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 00:08
I know Russia created a martial art during the middle ages called Systema (still practiced today) which is very open ended to deal with different fighting styles of the surrounding peoples. I know Russia isn't considered a steppe nation, but since they used Systema to fight against steppe peoples they might have something similar.


Posted By: Sarmat
Date Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 12:12
Originally posted by Timbol

I know Russia created a martial art during the middle ages called Systema (still practiced today) which is very open ended to deal with different fighting styles of the surrounding peoples. I know Russia isn't considered a steppe nation, but since they used Systema to fight against steppe peoples they might have something similar.
 
Russians didn't have any "systema" in the middle ages. "Systema" is just a crap invented by some tricky Russians to cheat other people's money.
 
Moreover, this "systema" is totally ineffective and artificial BS. A kind of very poor imitation of Chinese MA.
 
Russians fought nomades with bows, arrows and swords.


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Posted By: Timbol
Date Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 23:53
Originally posted by Sarmat12

Originally posted by Timbol

I know Russia created a martial art during the middle ages called Systema (still practiced today) which is very open ended to deal with different fighting styles of the surrounding peoples. I know Russia isn't considered a steppe nation, but since they used Systema to fight against steppe peoples they might have something similar.
 
Russians didn't have any "systema" in the middle ages. "Systema" is just a crap invented by some tricky Russians to cheat other people's money.
 
Moreover, this "systema" is totally ineffective and artificial BS. A kind of very poor imitation of Chinese MA.
 
Russians fought nomades with bows, arrows and swords.


There is a lot of controversy on the topic of systema and maybe I shouldn't have brought it up. Almost all of the medieval warrior classes had a way to fight while unarmed because as much as they liked it, they DID get disarmed in combat, or on occasion caught off guard. The samurai had aikedo (SP?) and the western European knights had a system of their own which may have a name but it is a form of grappling. Think what you wish but I think systema is effective, more so in this modern age for self defense.


Posted By: Sarmat
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2007 at 00:18
Of course medieval warriors sometimes had to fight unarmed. Of course Russian had their own martial style in the Middle Ages. However, no reliable sources on this martial style survived.
 
People who they say that they know "ancient Russian martial style" are nothing more than cheap liars.
 
In order to evaluate the effectiveness of a fighting style look at Mixed Martial style competitions.
 
Who is represented there? Wrestlers, Boxers, Kick Boxers, Thai Boxers, Brazilian Jiu-jitsu and Sambo practitioners.
 
There are no Aikido or Systema practitioners.
 
Effectiveness of MMA styles is proved in hundreds of documented fights. What is the proof of Systema effectiveness ?
 
Systema is nothing more than BS. For some reasons these liars got ground in Canada. I would stay away from these self appointed "Russian samurais."
 
May be it's effective against a weak guy who never did any sport in his life. A low level boxer will surely beat all the crap out of any Systema sensei.


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Posted By: Timbol
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2007 at 00:24
well we all believe different things. I dont think any single martial art is effective on its own, but I like the idea of openess and fluidity involved in systema. Also are you saying Aikido is also BS?


Posted By: Sarmat
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2007 at 00:43
I respect aikido much more than Systema. Aikido has a tradition and a recorded history.
 
It depends on the purpose. Aikido is a perfect way to improve your phisical shape, flexibility etc. It's a good way of physical training.
 
However, I think it's not practical for the real fight. Again, you will never see an Aikido practioner in MMA competitions. My opinion is that some Aikodo techinques could be a good addition for a solid background in a more practical MA. However Aikido is ineffective as a basic technique for a real fight.


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Posted By: Timbol
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2007 at 00:47
I disagree. Aikido is useful in the kind of fight it was designed for. You're an armoured samurai warrior fighting on foot and you sword breaks, then your short sword breaks, and you lose or break your dagger. An enemy comes charging at you and you side step grasp part of his armour and launch him away from you. Its a defensive against armed opponents. Also in  this kind of discussion you want to focus on the use of the time.


Posted By: Sarmat
Date Posted: 07-Aug-2007 at 00:58
Dont forget that Aikido was created in the 20th century when the fighting between 2 armoured samurais became obsolete.
 
Aikido represents a development of only one part of jiu-jitsu which included many more practical techniques.
 
But samurais in the middle ages didn't use Aikido in its modern form. It simply didn't exist then.
 
Jiu-jitsu BTW is also the base for judo and thus for Russian sambo and Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
 
By practicability I mean real fight smth. like street fight etc.


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 19-Aug-2007 at 00:21
I completely agree with you for once :)
 
Originally posted by Sarmat12

Everybody had its own martial styles.
 
Nevertheless, MMA competitions showed uselessness of "Traditional Oriental Martial Arts". Classical boxing and wrestling are much more deadly.
 
Different wrestling styles which existed among Turkic nomades IMO were far more effective than so called "Chinese Martial Arts."
 
BTW, Turkic wrestling styles, for example Kazakh and  Uzbek "kuresh" was used for the creation of the arguably best MA in the world "Russian sambo"
 
The basic technic of the best MMA fighter in the world Fedor Emelianenko is "Sambo", not fancy kung-fu or taekwondo which are totally useless in a real fight.
 
 
 


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2007 at 14:45
they are great boxers
 


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Posted By: Ahmed Cumadi
Date Posted: 08-Jun-2009 at 10:04
Serial the Sword TV and the Holy Scripture, that is telling a story about the alliance between the party of the red flower and the champion- the Muslim champion to overthrow the dynasty manchu, then the champion- the Muslim champion so Badur/the Champion from the Thifan country.
Thifan personally located on the north- west the People's Republic China, or now entered the regional territory of Xinjiang autonomy and now more often was mentioned with Turfan.
Turfan personally in the past was one of the cities that was passed the silk route, until being the area of the point of contact between the east and west culture.
Thifan/turfan consisted of the Muslim majority of the ethnic group wigu/uighur/, tartar, moghul, kittan, fattan, tayli but also the ethnic group hui.
Islam entered from the age to 2 hijriah, or the age 9 masehi, together with the arrival of the Arabian traders and persia as well as increasingly the strength of the Kekhalifahan influence abbasiyah in Baghdad.
The Zhodam
book
The Thifan Pokhan story was written in the Zhodam book (Struggle Blood) that was written by Badur/the Champion Ahmad Syiharani.
The contents of the book took the form of the story, or the hereditary story that was told from the mouth to the mouth until could not be made a history reference according to modern knowledge, but keakuratan him was higher than the legend or the fairy tale.
This book was written in the language urwun, and was translated in the Malay language old by Hang Nandra Abu Bakar, a Acehinese royal district chief.
As for this book contained about the Shurul Khan development (Thifan Pokhan and syufu Taesyu Khan) and about the story Badur/the Champion, Shuku/the Teacher, and Ahund/Ustad Shurul Khan
Badur/the Namsuit


Posted By: Ahmed Cumadi
Date Posted: 08-Jun-2009 at 10:07
Badur/the Namsuit
Champion
He was a person of Mongol, his father was killed in the battlefield when he still in the content, then his mother married a nation man tayli and entered Islam.
Since childhood he had been put to lanah/the islamic school/the place of education to study the Islam religion and self-defence knowledge.
He studied and developed the blow Step and Turkish's kick/Uighur, afterwards arranged the method of Turkish's resistance, tayli, kitan mongol and kai so as to be created the Wigu Po'er Step/the fist and the kick wigu.
He also created several steps, that is:
- Fuke Koyli Ey Pend: your Pa craved anggur
- Tsude Ne Fit: ungkitan pelana
- Firgi Kho Me Ni: Simpuhan the child angin
- Noug Ogul Babay: the noble expelled perintang
- Tedsyu Ey: pried into the stone karang
- Tse Ul Ni Kay: the child's Attack kelana
- Kayla uzi Cak: pushed the carriage emas
- Korey Ni Fuen: the eagle wings kembar
- Teutgul Te Kay: the Emas
Elbow
Also he created several steps was based on the movement of the animal that is:
- Baber Te'er: the Step harimau
- Pila Te er: the Bangau
Step - Thos Te er: the Merak
Step
Also he created the step rahapan/cakaran/Cengkraman
- Nesti Peyne: the Head of the rooster merahap
- Fuku Ne'i: Rahapan the monkey when in panah
- Fuku Ne'i Ey Zinc: Rahapan the monkey extinguished lampu
- Gio Gul Ne'i Kutsin: the Flower was blown angin
- Neyt Tetsy: Rahapan bidadari
- Tudsy Kai Tsen: rahapan kelelawar


And he created the Ling Zwe Kawt Te Kum step/the Dragon pounded the Mountain was based on his dream saw two dragons was fighting.
The step- this step above was researched and arranged afterwards in tried in the fight and turgul/competed tanding, also in the test with various weapon sorts.
He was friends with Badur Je'nan and together arranged and researched Shaolin kung fu and berdua created Shurul Khan fight knowledge"/King's Strategy."


Posted By: Ahmed Cumadi
Date Posted: 08-Jun-2009 at 10:11
The Thifan Po khan martial art location in Bandung city, INDONESIA. and style other of it is Thifan Tsufuk.


Posted By: Ahmed Cumadi
Date Posted: 08-Jun-2009 at 10:21

lambang.jpg
 
Thifan Po Khan
 


Posted By: Ahmed Cumadi
Date Posted: 08-Jun-2009 at 10:25
foto4


foto5


Posted By: Ahmed Cumadi
Date Posted: 08-Jun-2009 at 10:27

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9187243@N03/2496778842/">Turgul-Tingkat-1-dan-2-b

Turgul di bagian Tingkat 1 dan 2

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9187243@N03/2496777022/">ujian-tingkat-3-4

Ujian Hafalan di bagian Tingkat 3 dan 4

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9187243@N03/2495951963/">Turgul-Tingkat-2-dan-3-a

Turgul di bagian Tingkat 3 dan 4

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9187243@N03/2495952343/">Turgul-Tingkat-2-dan-3-b

Turgul di bagian Tingkat 3 dan 4

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9187243@N03/2496777938/">lho-kok-malah-berpelukan-sih

Lho, koq malah berpelukan sih?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9187243@N03/2496778208/">nih-terima-badan-gue-ga-mempan

Nih terima badan gue… kagak mempan!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9187243@N03/2495953303/">malah-pada-smak-down

Malah pada smackdown!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9187243@N03/2496778390/">Tamid-Anak-anak-tempat-buat-nonton

Tamid anak-anak cari tempat buat nonton

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9187243@N03/2495953165/">Mas-Fajar-ngalamun-yah

Mas Fajar lagi ngalamun ya? :D



Posted By: Ahmed Cumadi
Date Posted: 08-Jun-2009 at 10:29
http://silatindonesia.com/archives/mod/publisher/media/151.jpg


Posted By: Ahmed Cumadi
Date Posted: 08-Jun-2009 at 10:33
Smile i'm sorry, i don't edit of pictures and texts yet.



Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 08-Jun-2009 at 11:59
Thanks, its the first I've heard of this, very interesting read.

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Posted By: Ahmed Cumadi
Date Posted: 10-Jun-2009 at 13:45
Yes, but they did in the lost history!
in Turfan (Xinjiang, autonomous of China now) In the east Turkestan there is a martial art called Taesyu khan or Shurul  khan  or Thifan po khan, but the it names  seems to disappear from the tongue of the Turks. Even may be  martial art itself is extinct, but with the power of God, it martial art had spread to distant countries with Muslim such as Indonesia. It martial art is taken by the Tatar people.
I also read on the site SAYOKAN, martial art of Turkey, it martial art was established by Nihat Yigit in 1999, inspired from the history of Turk civilization.


Posted By: Ahmed Cumadi
Date Posted: 11-Jun-2009 at 09:12
You can open a video of Thifan po khan tsufuk on youtube.com   Smile
Thifan Po khan Cairo 01 on youtube.com
Thifan Po khan Cairo 02 youtube.com


Posted By: Cryptic
Date Posted: 11-Jun-2009 at 14:06
Originally posted by Sarmat

Systema is nothing more than BS. For some reasons these liars got ground in Canada. I would stay away from these self appointed "Russian samurais."
 
A low level boxer will surely beat all the crap out of any Systema sensei.
 
This is a little harsh, Sure the systema teachers have exagerrated the "ancient" origins of the system as a marketing technique.  That exaggeration, however, does not make systema "BS".
 
A martial arts system does not need to be ancient to be legitimate. Talented athletes can and have invented new systems in recent years. Judo, for example does not have ancient origins at all.  Krav Magna was invented by Israelis in the last 60 years. The Israelis just don't market it as "ancient" (at least not usually Wink).
 
Originally posted by Sarmat

. A low level boxer will surely beat all the crap out of any Systema sensei.
I doubt it. Many of the original systema instructors were former Soviet special forces soldiers. They probably trained in boxing since their Young Pioneer Days (Soviets emphasized boxing) and then boxed periodically in the Soviet military. Like all special Forces soldiers, they are good athelets and are probably good boxers in particular.


Posted By: cccTuRkMaNWoLfccc
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2009 at 01:46
YES ANCIENT TURKS DID HAVE THEIR OWN MARTIAL ARTS STYLE NOT ALOT OF PEOPLE KNOW IT BUT ITS CALLED A.M.A.R.O.K. MEANING       ATA-MENGU-AZ-RAK-OGUZ-KORESI .....IVE SEEN A VIDEO ON YOUTUBE OF SOME GUY SHOWING SOME MOVES AND HE SAYS IT RESEMBLES THE WAY A WOLF WOULD FIGHT....THEREES ALOT OF HOLDING YOUR OPPONENT ...CATCHING YOUR OPPONENTS BACK AND WHILE YOUR CHOKING HIM ROLLING ON THE FLOOR DURING THIS WHOLE PROCESS A VERY AGGRESSIVE STYLE OF WRESTLING LIKE OR THINK ABOUT IT LIKE THE UFC CAGE FIGHTING ACCEPT NOT A WHOLE LOT PUNCHING AND KICKING ......THERE IS ALSO NEWER FOR OF TURKISH MARTIAL ARTS CALLED SAYOKAN AND YOU CAN FIND VIDEOS OF THIS ON YOU TUBE AS WELL.....


Posted By: cccTuRkMaNWoLfccc
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2009 at 01:53
SAYOKAN IS NOT SELJUK MY FRIEND ITS A VERY RECEN FORM OF MARTIAL ARTS INFACT ITS FINDRS ARE STILL LIVING I BELIEVE....THE MOST ANCIENT FORM OF TURKIC MARTIAL ARTS IS   ATA-MENGU-AZ-RAK-OGUZ-KORESI......NOW ATA MEANS ANCESTOR I BELIEVE I M NOT SURE WHAT AZ RAK MENGU MEANS BUT OGUZ COMES FROM THE OGUZ TURKS AND KORES MEANS WRESTLING .....THERE SHOULD BE SOME VIDEOS OF IT ON VIDEO GOOGLE OR YOUTUBE


Posted By: kman123
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2009 at 16:19
I think generally most Turkic people have had some sort of wrestling style for martial arts. Like yagli gures in Turkey or kurash in Uzbekistan. I'm sure Uygurs have something similar. I think martial arts as we commonly know it is more of an oriental thing. Check out some Hui (Chinese Muslim) traditional martial arts, it's very interesting although I wouldn't know if it's practiced at all among Central Asians.


Posted By: ShatuoxTurk
Date Posted: 17-Feb-2010 at 16:15
Originally posted by Sarmat

Everybody had its own martial styles.
 
Nevertheless, MMA competitions showed uselessness of "Traditional Oriental Martial Arts". Classical boxing and wrestling are much more deadly.
 
Different wrestling styles which existed among Turkic nomades IMO were far more effective than so called "Chinese Martial Arts."
 
BTW, Turkic wrestling styles, for example Kazakh and  Uzbek "kuresh" was used for the creation of the arguably best MA in the world "Russian sambo"
 
The basic technic of the best MMA fighter in the world Fedor Emelianenko is "Sambo", not fancy kung-fu or taekwondo which are totally useless in a real fight.
 
 
 



The founders of Sambo were Vasili Oshchepkov (who was executed under the orders of Stalin during the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge - political purges of 1937 for refusing to deny his education in judo under its founder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kano_Jigoro - Kano Jigoro ) and Viktor Spiridonov. Sad thing is Vasili died for not renouncing his education in Judo which is 80% of his Sambo techniques comes from. FACT!

Brazilan Jiujitsu- a variation of Judo which still uses the Gi and Black rank and every technique
                           Judo ever had before the 1924 judo rule change. Still oriental

Former and currect MMA champs who are known Karate-kas

Lyoto Machida is the current UFC lightheavyweight champion with an unblemished record. In contrary to the large percentage of the fighters using the aforementioned four disciplines as their base, Machida has practiced Karate all his life. Born to a Shotokan Karate master, Lyoto Machida started Karate at a young age and its elusive fighting style was engrained into his fighting strategy.

http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=103 - is Karate embodied in MMA - the chambered punches, the dropping of the hands, the snap kicks. http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=103 - began studying http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koei-Kan - karate at the age of 12; the tattoo that can be seen on his scalp reads "Koei-Kan" in Kanji. He went on to gain his Black Belt and win a national championship title in that same style. Later in his career he met up with a former professional kickboxer by the name of John "The Train" Hackleman. Chuck went to John's dojo called the "The Pit" in the hills of Arroyo Grande, CA and was introduced to the art of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kajukenbo - or Hawaiian Kempo-Karate. His training here led him to become a North American Champion for the IKF, WKA, WKC and the USMTA.



http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=2181 - Petruzelli as a member of “The Ultimate Fighter 2” whom landed a beautiful jumping spin kick on his much larger and taller opponent http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=1372 - Dan ‘The Sandman' Christison Starting at the age of 6 in Shito-Ryu Karate, he went on to win the US Full Contact Kumite Karate championship & the World Team Kumite Championship.In 2004 he was on the receiving end of a controversial K-1 kickboxing loss to the 350 pound monster http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=2355 - even dropping ‘the Beast’ with a well placed right at one point during the match.Although he has suffered 2 losses in the UFC since his stint on ‘TUF’ he’s managed to string some wins in both MMA and Kick-boxing. At 28 years old, he is no journeyman and you can expect he will be a force to come in the light heavyweight division.

http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=3663 - is a UFC veteran, the current http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Apex_%28MMA%29&action=edit&redlink=1 - weltwerweight champion and son of Canadian karate legend Rick Joslin. Utilizing the striking skills he has earned as a 4th degree black belt in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wado_Ryu - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karate - he strung together 4 consecutive wins early in his career before losing to now UFC welterweight stand-out http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=4543 - .Joslin continued on to win the APEX welterweight title and gained a UFC debut; unfortunately dropping a unanimous decision to a much more talented wrestler but less rounded fighter in http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=5345 - .

http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=22 - holds wins over http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=83 - , http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=388 - , http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=142 - and http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=204 - . He has suffered controversial losses to the likes of http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=770 - , http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=1176 - and http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=36 - and competed in all-out wars with http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=103 - and http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=34 - – dropping both men at one point in their respective matches. http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=22 - is a 3x Texas State Karate Champion, 3x WFKL Karate Champion and a 2x U.S.K.A. Heavyweight Champion. Through competing in the UFC, Pride FC and Pancrase fighting organizations and displaying an exciting karate-orientated striking style http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=22 - has garnered a large fan base as a journeyman of the sport. Unfortunately http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=22 - suffered a stroke late 2003 and was forced to retire as a competitor.

http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=240 - Mushinjuku Karate emphasizes the conditionong of hands for hand power and to stop the breaking the bones.  Chambered power punches are relied on heavily in this system or Karate and Gomi is widely regarded as the hardest puncher at lightweight.

Ranked number two in our lightweight division, Gomi has definately helped to put Karate on the Map of Mixed martial arts.


http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=1868 - , known to his fans as http://www.topgunmma.com/viewFighter.php?fighterid=1868 - , started learning Kyokushin Karate at age six to defend himself against a school bully. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyokushin - is commonly deemed the most effective form of Karate. Created by Mas Oyama, Kyokushin taught a curriculum that emphasized full-contact, physical toughness, and practical application of traditional karate techniques. This style of Karate allows bare knuckle full-contact fights with punches to the body (originally punches to the head were permitted) with knees and punches allowed to land on the both the body and head.

 Judo champs in MMA former and current champs


Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou:
Sokoudjou was the 2001 U.S. Open Judo Champion. In other words, he's an outstanding judo practitioner. What's more, he took the MMA world by storm with consecutive knockout wins over Antonio Rogerio Nogueira and Ricardo Arona to gain notice.
Yoshihiro Akiyama As an MMA fighter Akiyama has also been excellent. First, he holds an overall MMA record of 10-1. Second, he's beaten upper level fighters like Denis Kang and Melvin Manhoef and regularly takes opponents down in strong judo fashion.
1. Karo Parisyan: Parisyan's overall MMA record of 18-5 tells part of the story on him. Victories over Josh Burkman, Drew Fickett, Ryo Chonan, Matt Serra, Nick Diaz, Chris Lytle, and Shonie Carter say a lot of the rest.

T.K- a early UFC and Pride Judo fighter who is the only man to beat Fedor...lol

CUNG LE - 6-1 with 5 KOs is a Vietnamese Sanshou champ and former
                    Strike force middle weight champ in MMA-
                    uses taekwondo kicks and San Shou takedowns
                    Trains in only traditonal styles and BJJ
ect ect ect...
Oh and everyone in MMA practises MUAY THAI as a must know system
and as you know MUAY THAI is a traditional Oriental system over 800 yrs old
from Thailand.

Traditonal martial arts are useless?? There sure are alot of champions whos doing it.
Even Victor belfort just earned his blue belt in karate look that up! lol
Your comment was ignorant- I beleive Modern MMA is more effective
But that doesnt make the traditional styles useless, kuz if it was there wouldnt be 5 of the currect top ten fighters in MMA are traditional based arts with BJJ or wrestling for the ground.
Anderson Silva-muay thai
Machida-karate
George st pire-karate
Fedor-sambo/judo
Muricio Rua-muay thai

MMA means mixed martial arts buddy, you can use any combination of ARTS.
without the traditional arts theres no modern ones. And Classical Boxing is not
MODERN BOXING........LMAO go look at boxing from the before the 20th century
there style was completely different.
Turkic and Mongol wrestling has no GROUND fighting just throws and trips to win the bout.
Actual grappling like subs and locks in MMA come mostly from BJJ VIA JUDO and jujutsu and oriental style! wreslting is used mainly for takedown and control. =]

Show us one modern MMA bout where someone doesnt do a round house kick,knee,elbow or jujutsu submission? Boxing and wreslting is a major factor but no "boxer" has won a MMA title, wrestlers have in the past but not so much now.

Number one combination for MMA champions is Muay thai/Jujutsu which are oriental styles.
Cry



Posted By: Shield-of-Dardania
Date Posted: 26-Mar-2010 at 08:59
Every nation that had had any significant history of fighting would have had some form of martial art or other. It just stands to reason.
 
The only difference being some nations maybe have done a better job than others at documenting how their ancestors fought.


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Posted By: Shield-of-Dardania
Date Posted: 26-Mar-2010 at 09:11
Originally posted by ShatuoxTurk


Oh and everyone in MMA practises MUAY THAI as a must know system
and as you know MUAY THAI is a traditional Oriental system over 800 yrs old
from Thailand.
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Maybe not so many people know this, but Muay Thai was actually adopted by the Thais from the kickboxing arts of their neighbours, the Burmese (Lethawei = Burmese kickboxing) and the Khmer Cambodians (Boran = Khmer Cambodian kickboxing).
 
Burma and Khmer Cambodia being much older kingdoms (by over a thousand years) than the earliest Thai kingdoms in South East Asia.
 
While the Burmese Lethawei was itself, in turn, adopted from Mukkti Yudha, the kickboxing art of Magadha and Bengal kingdoms in ancient northern India.


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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 06-Apr-2010 at 20:09
Who really knows? The French claim foot boxing? It is called, I believe "savate'"

So, truely, the Turks, had to have a particular style? The French / Franks were surely A-holes!

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Posted By: Shield-of-Dardania
Date Posted: 06-Apr-2010 at 21:29
When you research the personal history of Jean-Claude van Damme, the Belgian-Flemish Hollywood karate actor, you can't find his name among the recorded list of European karate champions, which he said he was, one time.
 
The reason is, he said, his real name was Jean-Claude van Varenger, or something like that. The surname 'van Damme' was, therefore, one he adopted from a past French savate champion. His name was ... Jean-Claude van Damme.


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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 06-Apr-2010 at 21:51
Yes, so I have read! laugh!

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Posted By: Shield-of-Dardania
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2010 at 03:03
But I love JCVD's movies though. His best was, for me, the futuristic, excellently surreal 'Cyborg'. Even if it wasn't considered so by many.

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Posted By: Blood and Suicide
Date Posted: 10-Sep-2010 at 09:05
steppe peoples of martial arts is not wrestling, do not say wrestling, martial arts is not is a sport, in recent days Sayokan something called out, although the martial art of kung-fu and taekwondo's mixture made up something that was understood,Steppe's death penalty is everything

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Posted By: Maximus Germanicus I
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2010 at 07:54
Originally posted by Sarmat

Everybody had its own martial styles.
 
Nevertheless, MMA competitions showed uselessness of "Traditional Oriental Martial Arts". Classical boxing and wrestling are much more deadly.
 
Different wrestling styles which existed among Turkic nomades IMO were far more effective than so called "Chinese Martial Arts."
 
BTW, Turkic wrestling styles, for example Kazakh and  Uzbek "kuresh" was used for the creation of the arguably best MA in the world "Russian sambo"
 
The basic technic of the best MMA fighter in the world Fedor Emelianenko is "Sambo", not fancy kung-fu or taekwondo which are totally useless in a real fight.
 
 
 
 
The turks as well as the Persians were famous for wrestling
 
BTW I like Fedor--but he isn't the best right now--Maybe 2 years ago


Posted By: charles1
Date Posted: 07-Jan-2011 at 18:47
Sir,you sound very informed on the subject of fighting unarmed.Have you done any?I don't mean cage fighting,I mean unrefereed,for real type fighting as an adult?If so,what "style"did you use and how'd it go?In fact I'm thinking you must of had a lot of street fights,right?Still get in them too.


Posted By: man2rk
Date Posted: 16-Oct-2011 at 12:18
in present days the uighurs are still playing martial arts on grand chinese martial combat stages. this guy is ane of them here http://www.56.com/u45/v_NTQ0NDgzNjI.html - http://www.56.com/u45/v_NTQ0NDgzNjI.html LOL

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Posted By: Centrix Vigilis
Date Posted: 16-Oct-2011 at 12:50
Understood not a single word but the fight was great.

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Posted By: jafflen
Date Posted: 08-Nov-2011 at 03:52
Agree. well-grounded argumentation made me think seriously  over this question


Posted By: tarek_kaplan
Date Posted: 20-Jan-2012 at 04:03
I want to tell something about this topic, also if the last communication was years ago :)
Uygur Turks and also other Turks was warrior and the important think ist, that they was nomad, so there was not any shool to learn to fight or be a warrior like the chinese or other people which lives in place like city etc... nomad lives in the natur like shaman in usa. they was good hunter and was working very hard. this makes the peoples strong, with a lot of condition, good hors rider, catcher etc... this live builds a people which was born to be fight. they have a lot of natural instinct like animals, strong like a bear, fast like a panther (or a kaplan like me :)))
i think, every body knows what i want to tell. the old turks from xiung-nu was not a soldiar, it was one man fighter, which comes together to fight which china, or with togeter (crazy but it's true). this is the casue, why the histroy of the turk peoples does not have any sorces of martial arts like books or sript ect...
at this time, there is a lot of turkish martial arts builded from turkey... like sanyokan etc... but all of this builds to japanes or chinese martial arts technique or it's a fiction with some strange inventions. the martial arts of turks are wresting, and this come in different stil, with oel or what ever.
you meet here about the martial arts name AMAROK. this is the only one, which is build on the reallity of old turk, because there is no documents about old turks fighting sistem.
at first, AMAROK is not ata mengü arzak oguz köresi.... it's alpagutnung mengü azrak oguz köresi. i want to translate it... alpagut is an old warrior, which was a one man armee which i told before. mengü is forever or better to say deathlessly... az rak is very rare... oghuz means not the oghuz turks... oghuz was also in the old turks mitology a GOD... köresi is wrestling or in the old language it means fighting... so oghuz köresi is the martial arts of god oghuz.

this is the right translation of AMAROK and the founder of this martial arts system is Grandmaster Hakan Haslaman, which have build this sistem at the year of 1995. you can check this on his website www.amarok.net

i meet with him last month and he told me that all. i think it makes a lot of sense which have also seriosity like other turks fighting.




Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 20-Jan-2012 at 15:23
I read on one site of a martial art called Chi-li-shish which is a type of wrestling. 

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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 20-Jan-2012 at 19:34
Is that the one where the wrestlers wear leather pants and are soaked in olive oil?

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Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 21-Jan-2012 at 06:20
Originally posted by Nick1986

Is that the one where the wrestlers wear leather pants and are soaked in olive oil?
For what I can find it's a kind of belt wrestling, and there's no oil in sight. Another way of spelling it is, Qielixi.

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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 22-Jan-2012 at 19:31
Forgive my ignorance, but what is belt wrestling?

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Posted By: TheAlaniDragonRising
Date Posted: 23-Jan-2012 at 12:56
Originally posted by Nick1986

Forgive my ignorance, but what is belt wrestling?
This isn't Uygur Turks doing belt wresting, I couldn't find a clip but it does show belt wresting.

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Posted By: BenRonald
Date Posted: 20-Nov-2018 at 10:22
I wonder about that too, maybe some self-defense types? Recently I've read an article http://https://thesportsdaily.com/2018/10/15/self-defence-classes-with-a-martial-arts-instructor/ - https://thesportsdaily.com/2018/10/15/self-defence-classes-with-a-martial-arts-instructor/ and I want to learn a martial art. Any suggestions?



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