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The Battle of Jena-Auerstadt

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Topic: The Battle of Jena-Auerstadt
Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Subject: The Battle of Jena-Auerstadt
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 14:11
at a time ,when the old-europe din't had trouble with it's former colonies in north america, the maraud hordes of the ottoman were forgotten and the french , english , austrians ,prussians  and other had enough time to thrash themselves.

The twin battles of Jena and Auerstedt (older name: Auerstädt) were fought on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_14 - October 14 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1806 - 1806 on the plateau west of the river http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saale - Saale in today's Germany, between the forces of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_I_of_France - Napoleon I of France and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_William_III_of_Prussia - Frederick William III of Prussia . The decisive defeat suffered by the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussia - Prussian army resulted in Prussia's elimination from the anti-French coalition up until the liberation war of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1813 - 1813 .

Both armies were split into separate parts: Napoleon's main force at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena - Jena consisted of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Jean_de_Dieu_Soult - Soult's IV Corps, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Lannes - Lannes' V Corps, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Ney - Ney's VI Corps, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Fran%C3%A7ois_Charles_Augereau - Augereau's VII Corps, and the cavalry of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_Murat - Murat , about 96,000 men in total. Further north, in the vicinity of Auerstedt, was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Bernadotte - Bernadotte's I Corps (20,000 strong) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Nicolas_Davout - Davout's III Corps (27,000). Opposing them, the Prussian king had three forces: 55,000 men under the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Wilhelm_Ferdinand%2C_Duke_of_Brunswick - Duke of Brunswick , 38,000 under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Ludwig%2C_F%C3%BCrst_zu_Hohenlohe-Ingelfingen - Prince Hohenlohe , and 15,000 under http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ernst-Friedrich-Wilhelm-Philipp_von_Ruchel&action=edit - General von Ruchel .

Gudin's troops were on the move from Nauburg before 6:30am. By 7 am the 1st Chasseurs were stopped cold in their tracks outside of Poppel by Prussian cavalry and artillery. There was a heavy fog that had lifted just as they approached the village. Once Davout became aware of the Prussian force he ordered Gudin to deploy his force at Hassenhausen.

The present Prussian commander on the field was Schmettau and his division was actually under orders to proceed down the very road that Davout was on to block his advance in the Kosen Pass. While his troops were deploying to attack Hassenhausen, Blucher arrived with his cavalry and deployed on his left. Together they attacked Gudin's troops and pushed them back to the village.

Wartensleben arrived at 8:30am with Brunswick who ordered his infantry to the left flank and his cavalry to the right. The rest of the French cavalry arrived at 9 am and was placed on Gudin's left. Friant and the 12pr artillery arrived at 9:30am and moved in squares on Gudin's right. The advance of the French squares forced Blucher's cavalry back. Seeing no other option available he ordered his cavalry to attack. At this very moment two of Wartensleben's regiments attacked Hassenhausen.

Everything failed, three cavalry regiments were routed and the infantry fell back. At this critical point, Brunswick needed to take drastic action. Shortly before 10 am he ordered a full assault on Hassenhausen. By 10 am Brunswick was carried from the field mortally wounded along with Schmettau who was also badly wounded. With the loss of these two commanders the Prussian command broke down. The Prussian army was in danger of collapse.

Blücher's infantry and the Prince of Orange arrived about 10:30am and the King made his only decision of the day, to split Orange's command in two, half to each flank. On the French side Morand's Division arrived and was sent to secure Gudin's left. Davout could now see that the Prussians were wavering so at 11 am he ordered his infantry to counter attack. By noon Schmettau's center was broken and forced back over the Lissbach Stream, Blucher's cavalry was blown and Wartensleben was trying to reposition his troops. The Prussians realized all was now lost and the King ordered a withdrawal.

Napoleon initially did not believe that Davout's single Corps had defeated the Prussian main body unaided, and responded to the first report by saying "Tell your Marshal he is seeing double". As matters became clearer, however, the Emperor was unstinting in his praise. Bernadotte was severely censured and came within an ace of being dismissed on the spot — despite being within earshot of Auerstedt and within marching distance of Jena, he ignored his orders and did not fire a shot in either battle. Davout was made Duke of Auerstedt. Soult, the hero of Jena, was not so honoured, possibly because Napoleon judged it best for reasons of prestige to keep the glory for himself.

                                    
 
On the Prussian side, Brunswick had been mortally wounded at Auerstedt, and over the next few days the remaining forces were unable to mount any serious resistance to Murat's ruthless cavalry pursuit. Davout led his exhausted III Corps into Berlin on October 25th. Hohenlohe's force surrendered on October 28th, Blucher's on November 7th. Isolated Prussian resistance remained, but Napoleon's primary foe was now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia - Russia , and the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Eylau - Battle of Eylau awaited.

The battle proved most influential in demonstrating the need for liberal reforms in what was then still a very much feudal Prussian state and army. Important Prussian reformers like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_von_Scharnhorst - Scharnhorst , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_von_Gneisenau - Gneisenau and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz - Clausewitz served at the battle. Their reforms, together with civilian reforms instituted over the following years, began Prussia's transformation into a modern state, which would take the forefront in expelling France from Germany and eventually assume a leading role on the continent.

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The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany - German http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy - philosopher http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Wilhelm_Friedrich_Hegel - Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel , who was then a professor at the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Jena - University of Jena , is said to have completed his chef d'oeuvre, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomenology_of_Spirit - Phenomenology of Spirit , while the battle raged. Hegel considered this battle to be "the end of the history", in terms of evolution of human societies towards what we would call the " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy - liberal democracy ". More on that in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Fukuyama - Francis Fukuyama 's book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_History_and_the_Last_Man - The End of History and the Last Man .
 
Today, every year thousands of participants of many nations are re-enact this battle in uniforms based on the original ones.
 
As you can see , a total defeat can be a good begin of a reformation.


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Replies:
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 16:08
I understand that you have taken the liberty of copying an entire text from Wikipedia, without any extensive support by your own claims.

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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 19:10
rider, the bloodhound of ae, i'm glad to know that someone makes thoughts about my claims. pooh, i already thought , no one would care about.
 
but you a right, rider, next time i try to draw my own maps , perhaps i will take a pic of the protagonists and will try to manage , that the development of an event will follow my crystal-clear minds.
 
but let's talk about tomorrow, i'm sure your mum called you to go bed already.


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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 15-Oct-2006 at 05:53
No, she didn't.

I am not referring to the pictures, just that copying texts from Wiki is not what this Forum is meant for.


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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 15-Oct-2006 at 06:28
ok, rider , you've got me!
for all others, please don't read the text above about the 200 annivesary celebration of the battle of jena-auerstedt. please , for more informations see wikipedia , divers history books , tv- documentions and some more sources.
sorry, i didn't participate at that battle, so i am depent on quotes of eye witnesses and those who wrote about.
but be sure, at the battle of estonia, which will take place very soon, i will be at front row and will make an authentic report.
and with a big kowtow to my baltic friend , i will say goodbye, see you in the south east asia department.


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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 15-Oct-2006 at 11:07
Battle of Estonia? Never heard of such.

And I didn't tell you that you are to be blamed for not participating there, but for copying a text from Wikipedia.

All except your first paragraph, is copied from Wiki, although not in the same lineup. Take a look if you don't know it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jena-Auerstadt - Battle of Jena-Auerstadt at Wiki


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2006 at 00:13
I don't see the problem as long as you give sources(if necessary) for the posted information.
 
 


Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2006 at 01:55
Ok, guys , it's enough. my official appologize, will start today it's way around this planet and will not stop before the last hillbilly had noticed it. the only exception will be estonia, cause it was devasted yesterday by an unknown horde out of the west.
 
Excuse: This post was totaly copied from Wikipedia, except the first and the last two lines. I'd thought that i could bluff rider and the rest of the honorable members of the AE Forum.I was far wrong. In my endless simplicity i didn't count on the criminalistic flair of rider and some other detectives.
Here, and you all are my witnesses, i will give  the promise, i will not do this anymore until the next  time.
 
Your suppliantly Ulrich von Hutten
 
 


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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2006 at 10:48
Ulrich, I will warn you for disturbing the mental piece of AE Members, if you continue on like this.

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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 01:27
Originally posted by rider

Ulrich, I will warn you for disturbing the mental piece of AE Members, if you continue on like this.
 
Rider, I think this is the begining of a beautiful friendship.Btw, what kind of mental pieces do you mean?


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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 03:17
I admit this is very funny threadBig smile.


Posted By: Leonardo
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 04:54
Yes, it is Smile


Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 12:38
pretty funny, but honestly rider you gotta relax.

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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 16:15
Mental peace... I wanted to say, sorry about that one, I really don't know how I made such a mistake.

[Sidenote: Do you know that when I wrote 'mental peace' now the first time in this post, I started of with 'metal peace'...]

Originally posted by PdL

honestly rider you gotta relax.


Do you think it is normal that one user gets away with everything he or she wants (on the case of UvH, it is 'it' ofcourse..).




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Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2006 at 19:31
are you upset rider because you cannot get away with anything? im just making an observation

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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 04:54
No, I am upset because of such [look the quote] stupidity disturbing the relative peace on this board!

Originally posted by ulrich von hutten

Ok, guys , it's enough. my official appologize, will start today it's way around this planet and will not stop before the last hillbilly had noticed it. the only exception will be estonia, cause it was devasted yesterday by an unknown horde out of the west.
 
Excuse: This post was totaly copied from Wikipedia, except the first and the last two lines. I'd thought that i could bluff rider and the rest of the honorable members of the AE Forum.I was far wrong. In my endless simplicity i didn't count on the criminalistic flair of rider and some other detectives.
Here, and you all are my witnesses, i will give  the promise, i will not do this anymore until the next  time.
 
Your suppliantly Ulrich von Hutten


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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 13:53
anyway, here, rider you can learn much about the real life, e.g. politics.
 You can blow up a second-rate theme with many hot air. Keep it warm , and everyone feels obiged to put one's oer in. After a while nobody cares about it any longer and you can make your final shoot.


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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 14:04
Note: You really can't speak English, it is 'much hot air', not 'many hot air'.

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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 14:36
Originally posted by rider

Note: You really can't speak English, it is 'much hot air', not 'many hot air'.
 
that's not a big news, mr. mental pieces !!!


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Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 15:29
kinda funny a 40 year old fighting with a 15 year old kid. you 'BOTH' gotta relax right now lol.

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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 15:58
just to please you.
That's one of the phenomenions of the net. Till now, i only knew such a boor from the posters of my daughter. And ponce, i'm very relaxed, belive me. I'm looking for my mental piece.
Btw , be more exact in mention my age.


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Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 16:19
Originally posted by ulrich von hutten

just to please you.
That's one of the phenomenions of the net. Till now, i only knew such a boor from the posters of my daughter. And ponce, i'm very relaxed, belive me. I'm looking for my mental piece.

Btw , be more exact in mention my age.

    sorry big guy. i will be more careful with that info next time

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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 16:25
may i quote myself ,with  a little defflection:
Ponce, this is the begining of a........etc,etcThumbs Up
but stop, you're only 18 !!??? In the USA, i would get in trouble, do I ?


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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 16:29
Originally posted by UvH

looking for my mental piece


I see unprevented idiotic make-fun-over-Rider sarcasm looting this topic...


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Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 16:46
Originally posted by ulrich von hutten

may i quote myself ,with  a little defflection:
Ponce, this is the begining of a........etc,etc[IMG]height=17 alt="Thumbs Up" src="http://www.allempires.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" width=23 align=absMiddle>

but stop, you're only 18 !!??? In the USA, i would get in trouble, do I ?

    You are not really making sense right now Hutto. also rider dont take offense just foolin with ya.
    

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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 16:59
Hey, Ponce, not to be rude, but this is a PRIVATE conversation between me, UvH and all the rest of AE [who are supposed to be only reading this, not replying].

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Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 17:04
whatever rider, i was just tryin to help you out

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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 17:10
But I would give you a permission to create a topic for commenting this topic... that could be done, and as I said, I din't want to be rude...

Or as Jar Jar would put this: How wude?


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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 17:16
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon

whatever rider, i was just tryin to help you out
did he needed it badly?
ok, guys and now for something completly different.
I want to curry favor with you !!!!
Peace-Offering.
Rider, if you'll promise to mention my bad english never more, i don't mention your age any longer.Heart
Let's stop the Icelandic- Estonia Cold War. Let's make an alliance and look for another victim. I have a brilliant idea,what's about Pon.......Wink


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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 17:39
Wait, I don't like those terms, what if I'll stop babbling about your stupid English and you making fun over my mistakes...

But the best new victim would be ***ce...


HEY PONCE, GET BACK TO THIS TOPIC IMMEDIATELY!


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Posted By: Ponce de Leon
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 17:53
why?

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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2006 at 23:02
Originally posted by Ponce de Leon

why?


What?


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Posted By: TheDiplomat
Date Posted: 07-Nov-2006 at 08:48
Originally posted by Majkes

I admit this is very funny threadBig smile.


I completely agree..

Even more interesting than the battle of Jena to meBig smile


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