Mongols become Muslims.
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Topic: Mongols become Muslims.
Posted By: Tipu Sultan
Subject: Mongols become Muslims.
Date Posted: 02-Oct-2006 at 12:48
| who does not know the cruel king chengiz khan but many believe that he was a muslim,but he was not.the mongols were tribal warriors and descended from the steeps of central asia and they were fierce warriors,initially they were opponents to islam and they plundered the then muslim capital of baghadad and dragged the caliph of islam outside and killed him under the hoofs of their horses when they captured bagahad but within 100 years after this event they met their first defeat at the hands of the mamluks of egypt who were muslims and slowly they bowed to the superiority of islam and became muslims. |
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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 02-Oct-2006 at 14:07
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Please post not topics in Bold...
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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 02-Oct-2006 at 15:43
It's not a topic, it's a dogma and if one thing warrents bold, it's dogma. ------------- Light blue touch paper and stand well back http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk - http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk - http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk |
Posted By: Vivek Sharma
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2006 at 01:18
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What is he trying to say ? This was common with all the mongols, they took the religions of the lands they conquered. So every religio in the world was superior to them because some of the mongols became apart of those religions ? I get a smell of propoganda in this topic !!!
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Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2006 at 01:55
the mamelukes them selfs were from the steppes allso and btw they didn't take religion as serious as people do now. in CA even to day they don't
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Posted By: Vivek Sharma
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2006 at 05:56
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So did the Mongols, Religion for them was something to be experimented with after you had achieved conquest, to integrate with the conquered people better, start following the conquered religion.
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Posted By: Tipu Sultan
Date Posted: 03-Oct-2006 at 13:38
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well what humbled the mongols was their defeat at the hands of muslims. they hated the iranians and some mongol king said to an iranain that you people are worse than dogs to which he replied that we would have been worse than dogs if we had not been muslims. this statement touched him a lot. |
Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 00:43
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Edited, none topic related and provoking. ------------- I rather be a nomadic barbarian than a sedentary savage |
Posted By: Scytho-Sarmatian
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 08:17
The majority of today's Mongols are Buddhists. Muslim Mongols are now only a very small minority.
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Posted By: Tipu Sultan
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 11:59
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largely in correct sarmatian. there is a difference between chinese and mongols.monglos are mainly muslims-uzbeks,tajiks,turmenis,kazaks,etc |
Posted By: erkut
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 12:34
Kazaks, Turkmans, Uzbeks are Turkic. Tajiks are İranic/Persian/Farsi or whatever you call.
Mongols are different from them(ethnicaly and religiously). ------------- |
Posted By: Tipu Sultan
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 12:43
| well what do you call the indonesians,malaysians,maldives,brunei which are all predominantly muslim countries and uzbeks are turks?i though they were monglos they are cheeki eyed. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 16:47
| ^^^ lol WOW. |
Posted By: çok geç
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 22:18
Dear Tipu, not every cheeki eyed person is a mongol and not every blonde guy is a Swedish.  ------------- D.J. Kaufman Wisdom is the reward for a lifetime of listening ... when youd have preferred to talk. |
Posted By: erkut
Date Posted: 04-Oct-2006 at 22:51
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And most of Turks has cheek eye, just like Mongols but that doesnt make them Mongol.
Or if every cheek eyed person is Mongol, Japan shold be a part of Mongolia :) ------------- |
Posted By: Tipu Sultan
Date Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 09:55
| no turks are not cheeki eyed.the mongols are cheeki eyed.i have seen turks they have big broad eyes while ukbeks,kazaks have cheeki eyed like the malaysians,indonesians,etc |
Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 10:34
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You do realise that they are "Turks" don't you? are Malaysians Mongols? no, are Turks Mongols? no. Most Turks are in Central Asia if you didn't already know.
And if your referring to Turks of Turkey, they don't have as Mongoloid features as the others but compared to their neighbours like Greeks, Persians etc they have more "oriental" eye's and features. ------------- “What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal.” Albert Pine |
Posted By: malizai_
Date Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 11:42
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Tipu
They are telling the truth, my sincere advcise would be to reappraise your knowledge of the turkic phenotype and tukic groups. Turks/tatar/mongols are part of a larger body of people reffered to as the altaic group. Turkish is more a cultural identitiy.
http://au.encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761563293/Altaic_Languages.html - http://au.encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761563293/Altaic_Languages.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_peoples - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_peoples http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Turkism - ------------- |
Posted By: Tipu Sultan
Date Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 11:44
| ok if you guys say so.chinese muslims look like monglos to me.i think i am right here. |
Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 05-Oct-2006 at 13:01
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Chinease Muslims? Uygur Turks, Tajik Iranics, Hui group who are made up of various ethnicities including Mongols, Machu, Turks, Iranics, Han Chinease?
There are millions of muslims in China among them there are many ethnicities, the largest being Uygur Turks. ------------- “What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal.” Albert Pine |
Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 06:39
there is also a ethnic chinese group living in the north near gobi dessert forgot the name thow
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Posted By: Tipu Sultan
Date Posted: 06-Oct-2006 at 12:02
| good information guys |
Posted By: Mordoth
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2006 at 10:52
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Tipu Sultan ;
Those people ARE nOT CHINESE MUSLIMS , however those whom you implied are Oppresse Turks of the region that are living with lack of Rights in former China ...
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Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2006 at 11:55
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I'm not talking about uigurs mordoth I was talking about the hui
there like han chinese only muslim
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Posted By: Tipu Sultan
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2006 at 11:57
| well no guys i am not only talking about turkmenistan but about muslims who are also living in beijing and sanghai.they are quiet a number with a chinese origin. |
Posted By: xi_tujue
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2006 at 12:25
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most famous one is Zheng He or Admiral Hajji Mahmud
the famous chinese admiral of the treasure fleet
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2006 at 16:16
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I got it from mongolian forum. It seems like religion is not Mongol identity. They are just simply accepting every religion. World should learn from them
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Posted By: tsar
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2006 at 19:44
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"egypt who were muslims and slowly they bowed to the superiority of islam and became muslims. "
Wait wait wait SINCE wen did islam become superior? |
Posted By: Nestorian
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2006 at 12:05
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"egypt who were muslims and slowly they bowed to the superiority of islam and became muslims. " And this makes other religions........... ------------- Isa al-Masih, both God and Man, divine and human, flesh and spirit, saviour, servant and sovereign |
Posted By: yan.
Date Posted: 11-Oct-2006 at 08:54
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Most of the Mongols I met believe in Lamaism and Shamans, or both. I also met some Born Again Christians or followers of Peter Youngren None of them really look like Hui muslims, btw. :D
Mongolia has in fact a Muslim minority, the Kazakhs. Ulaanbaatar even has a newly-built mosque in the eastern outskirts.
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. In fact, I even know a mongolian woman married to a (presumably) muslim. But I don't know if she follows any religion or not ...Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11-Oct-2006 at 21:58
| hmmm... Mongols have plenty of religion for sure. Clever politic, isn't it , Many religion co-exist together, checking on each other and none of them can not dominate Mongolia and its people |
Posted By: Scytho-Sarmatian
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 07:32
I maintain that the majority of today's Mongols (of Mongolia ) are Tibetan Buddhists ("Lamaists"). They are obviously open to other influences as well, as the Mongols have been relatively open-minded about religion throughout their history. Recently, evangelical Christians have been aggressively trying to take advantage of this open-mindedness, with some degree of success.
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Posted By: galvatron
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2006 at 13:49
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I think the dongxiang in china who are muslim are related to the mongol people . ------------- |
Posted By: yan.
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 03:52
I don't think there is any politics behind it - they just don't care. And of course Lamaism has often been no more than a means of politics and domination in pre-revolutionary times. Just take look from what family the first Jebsundamba Khutugtu (sp?) came from, for example.
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Posted By: Jonon
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 23:49
| Religion is not a mongol thing. |
Posted By: Jonon
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2006 at 23:50
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When Mongols converted into muslim, their glory became turkic tribes and they became tatars. When they became buddhist, they were gone too religious and became almost like tibets/ manchus.
I think now they are trying christianity. will see what would happen. Maybe Mongols go like S.koreans.....
for sure they like to try religion whatever suitable for the time. I believe Mongols will not became muslim now. It is not good image now because of islamic terrorism. Mongols know when to try what. i guess thaks t very pragmaitc approach
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Posted By: barbar
Date Posted: 14-Oct-2006 at 07:48
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Tughluq Tomur was famous Chengis decendant who converted to Islam after gaining the power, and he was the person who managed the eastern part of Uyghur region Muslim dominated. He also supported Amir Tomur (Tomurleng) to ge t the power in Maureunnehir. As a Turkified Mongol, his role as a muslim leader can't be neglected. As for Chengis, he was religiously very tolerant, Uyghurs (Idiqut-Buddist, Qaraxanid-Muslim) supported him just because they knew about the Chengis Yasa. However, Chaghatai was quite against the Muslims. ------------- Either make a history or become a history. |
Posted By: borudjin
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2006 at 08:02
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genghis khan worshipped tenghri, therefore he was a tenghriist. isnt it interesting that there are 99 different names for tenghri, and alla(h) is another one of those names. they are kipchak words. in the quran it says that there are 99 different names for allah, it doesnt mention them tho. tenghriism existed before islam. so.... gasp.... the arabs copied the kipchaks. like omg. read murad adji http://adji.ru |
Posted By: Mongolia
Date Posted: 02-Nov-2006 at 09:50
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Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 03-Jan-2014 at 12:24
Rubbish!!! The Mongols showed themselves to be very tolerant when it came to religion. The allowed Muslim and Nestorian Christians to actively practice and recruit in their areas of control. Some of the Mongols adopted the new religions. No way did they bow to Islam! |
Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 04-Jan-2014 at 00:08
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Toyomotor! Did you not notice the almost eight year difference in these posts! As far as I know, which is little, there is now no one to converse with, except me! LOL
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Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 04-Jan-2014 at 19:37
Yes I did, it seemed to me that the conversation came to an abrupt halt, without really reaching a consensus. Like some other posts, I was trying to engender new interest based on new findings, although this Mongol thread does not rely on new info. Thanks Ron. |