Tajiks in Eastern Turkestan (Xinjiang Uyg
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Topic: Tajiks in Eastern Turkestan (Xinjiang Uyg
Posted By: Uyghur Oghli
Subject: Tajiks in Eastern Turkestan (Xinjiang Uyg
Date Posted: 08-May-2006 at 19:30
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There are 33,000 Tajiks in East Turkestan (E.T.).
Most of them live in the Tashkhurgan Tajik Autonomous County. Some live
in Yarkend, Yopurgha, Kharghilikh and Guma counties.
They look more European than the Tajiks in Tajikstan or even Persians in Iran. http://www.epicrise.com/ct.ashx?id=28a72191-50ca-457c-b454-4684e91554de&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.epicrise.com%2fimages%2fpictures%2fcivi_tajik_37.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/ct.ashx?id=28a72191-50ca-457c-b454-4684e91554de&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.epicrise.com%2fimages%2fpictures%2fcivi_tajik_38.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/ct.ashx?id=28a72191-50ca-457c-b454-4684e91554de&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.epicrise.com%2fimages%2fpictures%2fcivi_tajik_39.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/images/pictures/civi_tajik_25.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/images/pictures/civi_tajik_26.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/images/pictures/civi_tajik_27.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/images/pictures/civi_tajik_28.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/images/pictures/civi_tajik_29.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/images/pictures/civi_tajik_30.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/images/pictures/civi_tajik_31.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/images/pictures/civi_tajik_32.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/images/pictures/civi_tajik_33.jpg" target="new">  春到帕米尔 http://www.epicrise.com/images/pictures/civi_tajik_34.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/images/pictures/civi_tajik_35.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/images/pictures/civi_tajik_36.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/ct.ashx?id=762ed337-9102-4c09-b5c4-31c652deb520&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.epicrise.com%2fimages%2fpictures%2fcivi_tajik_13.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/ct.ashx?id=762ed337-9102-4c09-b5c4-31c652deb520&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.epicrise.com%2fimages%2fpictures%2fcivi_tajik_14.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/ct.ashx?id=762ed337-9102-4c09-b5c4-31c652deb520&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.epicrise.com%2fimages%2fpictures%2fcivi_tajik_15.jpg" target="new">  塔吉克新娘 http://www.epicrise.com/ct.ashx?id=762ed337-9102-4c09-b5c4-31c652deb520&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.epicrise.com%2fimages%2fpictures%2fcivi_tajik_16.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/ct.ashx?id=762ed337-9102-4c09-b5c4-31c652deb520&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.epicrise.com%2fimages%2fpictures%2fcivi_tajik_17.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/ct.ashx?id=762ed337-9102-4c09-b5c4-31c652deb520&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.epicrise.com%2fimages%2fpictures%2fcivi_tajik_18.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/ct.ashx?id=762ed337-9102-4c09-b5c4-31c652deb520&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.epicrise.com%2fimages%2fpictures%2fcivi_tajik_19.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/ct.ashx?id=762ed337-9102-4c09-b5c4-31c652deb520&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.epicrise.com%2fimages%2fpictures%2fcivi_tajik_20.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/ct.ashx?id=762ed337-9102-4c09-b5c4-31c652deb520&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.epicrise.com%2fimages%2fpictures%2fcivi_tajik_21.gif" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/ct.ashx?id=762ed337-9102-4c09-b5c4-31c652deb520&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.epicrise.com%2fimages%2fpictures%2fcivi_tajik_22.gif" target="new">  |
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Posted By: Uyghur Oghli
Date Posted: 08-May-2006 at 19:34
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Uyghurs in E.T.: http://www.epicrise.com/ct.ashx?id=4bc6da55-d32f-4217-890c-e94932858d61&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.epicrise.com%2fimages%2fpictures%2fcivi_uyghur_2.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/ct.ashx?id=4bc6da55-d32f-4217-890c-e94932858d61&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.epicrise.com%2fimages%2fpictures%2fcivi_uyghur_3.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/ct.ashx?id=4bc6da55-d32f-4217-890c-e94932858d61&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.epicrise.com%2fimages%2fpictures%2fcivi_uyghur_4.jpg" target="new">  http://www.epicrise.com/ct.ashx?id=4bc6da55-d32f-4217-890c-e94932858d61&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.epicrise.com%2fimages%2fpictures%2fcivi_uyghur_5.jpg" target="new">  |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 08-May-2006 at 19:52
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I don't know what the relevance of what you said there is, and your perception of Europeans seems somewhat flawed, the pictures you posted have show strong Sino-Turkic admixture, like other Tajiks. |
Posted By: Uyghur Oghli
Date Posted: 08-May-2006 at 20:14
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What I'm saying here is that perhaps because of their relative
isolation (they live high in the Pamir plateau) than the rest of the
Turkic inhabitants of the region, Tajiks here
retained most of the physical traits of the original Indo-Euoropeans in
the area. If you compare these pictures to those of Tajiks in Tajikstan
or in Uzbekstan, you will see clear and distinguishable physical
differences. Also, look at their traditional headdress. I don't recall
seeing same features in Tajiks at the other side of the Pamir. Please also note that the pictures in the 2nd post are those of the Uyghurs. |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 09-May-2006 at 12:14
| Their Tajiki Persian language indicates that they have not been isolated for all that long (maximum 1000 years). I have seen Tajiks from all over (Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Afghanistan) who look similar. |
Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 10-May-2006 at 00:45
Its that giant inferiority complex he's hiding.
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Posted By: Afghanan
Date Posted: 10-May-2006 at 00:50
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Actually you can find Tajiks in Tajikistan wearing the same kind of headdress. Also the nomadic Tajiks that occupy Tashkurghan, Badakhshan also wear a similar headdress. That similar headdress is also worn by fellow Uzbeks, and even the Aimaq Turks in Afghanistan. There is a fusion, especially in Badakhshan of Afghanistan between Tajiks and Uzbeks. Sometimes its hard to tell one from the other as their culture is almost identical and most can speak Persian. The Tajiks of China speak mostly a Turkic language. Here are some different ethnic garbs from different regions of Afghanistan:
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Posted By: raygun
Date Posted: 10-May-2006 at 05:00
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Very interesting & beautiful costumes. Are there any similarities to the costumes of the ancient Persians? ------------- |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 10-May-2006 at 07:04
| Yes... and modern ones. Kurdish women's dresses are also very similar. |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 10-May-2006 at 07:08
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kurdish/ghashghai style Also various pictures in this link with traditional clothing. http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10142&KW=parade - http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10142&am p;KW=parade |
kurdish/ghashghai style
gilani style
Posted By: Feramez
Date Posted: 10-May-2006 at 22:26
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I camped in Tashkorgan for about 4-5days. It was the best time of my life, took a 4 hour hike up to Muz Tagh Ata, I never walked to hard in my life. We met many mountain climbers up there from all over the world, even some from just a couple towns away from my home here in New Jersey. During a really bad hail storm some Uygur nomads invited us over to their ger for some bread and milk, one of the women there...her grandfather migrated from Turkey to Tashkorgan, East Turkistan during the Ottoman Empire, she's part Turkish and part Uygur. I'll post some pics of me in Tashkorgan later. ------------- For Turks, the homeland isn't Turkey, nor yet Turkistan. Their country is a vast, eternal land: Turan! -Ziya Gokalp- http://groups.myspace.com/TurkWorld - TÜRK DÜNYASI Forum, join today. |
Posted By: Feramez
Date Posted: 10-May-2006 at 22:45
   ------------- For Turks, the homeland isn't Turkey, nor yet Turkistan. Their country is a vast, eternal land: Turan! -Ziya Gokalp- http://groups.myspace.com/TurkWorld - TÜRK DÜNYASI Forum, join today. |
Posted By: Feramez
Date Posted: 10-May-2006 at 22:47
 ------------- For Turks, the homeland isn't Turkey, nor yet Turkistan. Their country is a vast, eternal land: Turan! -Ziya Gokalp- http://groups.myspace.com/TurkWorld - TÜRK DÜNYASI Forum, join today. |
Posted By: Feramez
Date Posted: 10-May-2006 at 22:50
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Yes that's me on the horse above. The picture of the two tents next to the car is the spot we camped at the whoe time. The gers next to that is of some random nomads we crossed. The pictures on the very right are of a village of semi-nomads, where I met the Turkish/Uygur woman. ------------- For Turks, the homeland isn't Turkey, nor yet Turkistan. Their country is a vast, eternal land: Turan! -Ziya Gokalp- http://groups.myspace.com/TurkWorld - TÜRK DÜNYASI Forum, join today. |
Posted By: barbar
Date Posted: 10-May-2006 at 23:55
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Thanks Uyghuroghli for these beautiful pictures.
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Posted By: barbar
Date Posted: 11-May-2006 at 00:05
What's this freaking out guys? He is just trying to say that these people have preserved their racial and cultural originality due to the special geographical location they are habitating. Zagros, what do you mean by "Sino-turkic"?
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Posted By: bigtoothbrush
Date Posted: 11-May-2006 at 00:53
| What's "Sino-turkic"? We have nothing to do with them. Chinese people don't look like that, but this... http://www.shanghaining.com/contests/beauty/gallery.php?votingMonth=200507 - http://www.shanghaining.com/contests/beauty/gallery.php?voti ngMonth=200507 |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 11-May-2006 at 05:29
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I used it because I didn't want to say Mongoloid; the area has been settled by many various people and they have all left their legacy.
BTW: I didn't freak out. |
Posted By: barbar
Date Posted: 14-May-2006 at 22:18
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You could have used scientifically correct term Turanoid. If you think there is obvious Chinese influence, then you are wrong. Chinese migration is just recent event. Islam and their rich culture has been keeping Uyghurs from intermingling with Chinese.
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Posted By: Qin Dynasty
Date Posted: 18-May-2006 at 10:32
They are also Chinese people, they might not be Mongoloid but they surely are Chinese. I hope u did not make that statement on purpose. It was bordering Han chauvinism.
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Posted By: The Charioteer
Date Posted: 18-May-2006 at 15:42
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barbar is right about Chinese influence been recent.
thanks for providing these beautiful pictures, they are beautiful peoples, both Tajik and Uyghur people. ------------- |
Posted By: selam
Date Posted: 21-May-2006 at 23:19
very nice picture ,by the way !!!!
well ,tajik in china doesn't speak turkic language !!!I have many tajik friends ,i never understand a word they are saying !!
those pics of tajiks in china are rather random !!! they didn't make up or even dress up !!!
please ,we really know what afagnistan looks like!!you don't have to put those pics to beautify your people or your country !!!
regards!!!
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Posted By: Feramez
Date Posted: 22-May-2006 at 00:33
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Selam, don't sat Taciks in East Turkistan don't speak Turk languages. Maybe some or a lot don't but a lot do. I met a lot of Taciks in Tashkorgan, East Turkistan and all of the ones that I met spoke Uygur. ------------- For Turks, the homeland isn't Turkey, nor yet Turkistan. Their country is a vast, eternal land: Turan! -Ziya Gokalp- http://groups.myspace.com/TurkWorld - TÜRK DÜNYASI Forum, join today. |
Posted By: Perspolis
Date Posted: 23-May-2006 at 06:53
| you are wrong, I have a tajik freind from china and she speak persian/tajiki. I can understand what she says completely. |
Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 23-May-2006 at 09:36
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Posted By: The Charioteer
Date Posted: 23-May-2006 at 17:12
It was meant to show the ethnic costums of Afghan, not some beauty contest. ------------- |
Posted By: Feramez
Date Posted: 23-May-2006 at 19:59
I'm wrong? You have a Tacik friend, I said "Maybe some or a lot don't but a lot do". Your friend doesn't represent the whole Tacik population of East Turkistan. I was in East Turkistan and all the Taciks I met spoke Uygur, they probably spoke Tacik too, but since there are otehr Turk groups in the area they use Uygur to communicate amongst eachother. ------------- For Turks, the homeland isn't Turkey, nor yet Turkistan. Their country is a vast, eternal land: Turan! -Ziya Gokalp- http://groups.myspace.com/TurkWorld - TÜRK DÜNYASI Forum, join today. |
Posted By: The Charioteer
Date Posted: 23-May-2006 at 20:12
Tajiks in ChinaTajik with a population of 41,028 (2000), is located mainly in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China - China 's western http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang - Xinjiang region with 60% living in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxkorgan_Tajik_Autonomous_County - Taxkorgan Tajik Autonomous County ; some researchers view them as a collection of over a dozen small http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=East_Iranian&action=edit - East Iranian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group - ethnic groups that are related to, but distinct from, the Tajiks of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajikistan - Tajikistan . In China, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajik_language - Tajik language has no official written form. The great majority of Chinese Tajik speakers (16,000) speak the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamir_languages - Sariqul (or Sariköli) dialect and use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_language - Uyghur and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_language - Chinese to communicate with people of other nationalities in the area. A small proportion of Chinese Tajik speakers (6,000) speak the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakhi_language - Wakhi dialect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajiks#Tajiks_in_China - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajiks#Tajiks_in_China------------- |
Posted By: barbar
Date Posted: 24-May-2006 at 08:15
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Tajiks are bilingual in Uyghur, as they have to learn all subjects in Uyghur at school. They speak Tajiki with each other, which we can't understand at all.
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Posted By: selam
Date Posted: 25-May-2006 at 07:38
wikipedia ,nowdays it is really hard to believe in wikipdia !!
not some!! all of them can speak perfect uyghur and much better than I do !!!!
barbar ,you are correct !!! they speak tajik to each other and we don;t understand them !! !!!
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