Cyrus the Movie
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Category: Regional History or Period History
Forum Name: Ancient Mesopotamia, Near East and Greater Iran
Forum Discription: Babylon, Egypt, Persia and other civilizations of the Near East from ancient times to 600s AD
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Topic: Cyrus the Movie
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Cyrus the Movie
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2004 at 11:40
Hello Everyone!
It seems like forever now since the funding started for the movie: Cyrus? And I’ve been waiting patiently...
The chahaya group claims that the screenplay is fully developed, and apparently there is a cast list (wish list).
What are they waiting for? Are they waiting for Alexander movie to be done and out in the theatres?
http://www.chahayagroup.com/ - http://www.chahayagroup.com/
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Posted By: Rakhsh
Date Posted: 02-Nov-2005 at 08:54
OMG I read it, what a crime to have it soo far from its original context and story
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Posted By: PrznKonectoid
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2005 at 21:00
Originally posted by Rakhsh
OMG I read it, what a crime to have it soo far from its original context and story |
I know! not only did they screw up the story but their looking to screw up the actors too. I mean the possiblity of Jude Law playing as Cyrus!! First he is way too feminine to play the mighty Cyrus. Also, even if you were to color his hair and give him colored contacts, his face still wouldn't look Persian, just look at my avatar, does Jude Law's face look like that!
Sean Connery, while not my ideal, is much better.
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Posted By: Rakhsh
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 00:03
Well they are putting black people in the movie, though I am not racist I find this inaccurate and showing it as a band of stragglers and Medes as cruel etc The original is just as juicy then this movie idea
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Posted By: PrznKonectoid
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 00:44
Ah Bs. if we're gonna have blacks playing Persians we might as well call in Oliver Stone to direct the damn thing. I mean wtf. I am not racist, but we are not black. I respect black culture, but physically they look different, darker skin, frizzier hair, flatter, wider, and shorter nose, etc.
This is just some western propaganda, they did the same thing in Alexander the movie.
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Posted By: Sharrukin
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 16:20
Well, it may be viewed more than one way. It may be seen as sheer "creativity" on their part. As "artists" they view their craft as not being bound by any rules. They want their project to be their own and while based on an original story, their "spin" on it confirms that they used their imagination in creating something original.
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 17:08
it's a nonsnese PC thing to show blacks were everywhere in prominent history.
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Posted By: Rakhsh
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 18:32
Especially in the Middle east and positions of power. Did anyone ever watch Hercules? or Xena? notice they had blacks and the Queen and leaders of Summeria were black? Or Egyptian being played as black? all this inaccuraciies are bad, how about a black King Arthur? or Hamlet? or Black ceasar, or Alexander? how about that!
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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 18:36
AFAIK, theres been a Black Hamlet. Or was it Mcbeth.
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Posted By: Rakhsh
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 19:00
I thought is was Othello?
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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 19:25
Its common for some black actor to be cast as Othello, but some African
theatrical actor has done Hamelt and/or Mcbeth. Can't renember who.
Oh, and of course, shakespear production companies where there are
noticable shortages of Scots/Danes/Italians etc, say, oh like in
Africa, do their own versions with their own people all the time.
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Posted By: Miller
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 00:23
Most people in the western world don't black Ottello seriously, but the case it a little different with an Iranian character.
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Posted By: Rakhsh
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 05:40
I agree since in the play he is a moor, when potraying national figures of a country then you must be more sensitive... ie not just persians but the bible and Torah talks greatly of Cyrus and this movie destroys his image.
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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 07:51
But what is a moor?
In English moor and black were merged into one with the notion of the
Blackamoor, but in continental cultural views, the moor was just a
muslim, he could look like anything, filipino even (moro gulf anyone).
Anyways, anyone who expects Hollywood to do history seriously needs to
take their head out of their arse, its never done that. Its called
entertainment for reason.
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Posted By: Rakhsh
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 08:35
but we can as Iranians boycot and express our distaste and voice our opinions.... How about a movie where Abraham is balck and george washington and all the slaves as white!
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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 09:05
Go for it.
I doubt a boycott by Iranians would affect Hollywood much.
Btw, that example is a good idea, artisticly speaking, and it wouldn't
suprise me if its already been done on a theatrical level.
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Posted By: Rakhsh
Date Posted: 06-Nov-2005 at 09:15
Thanks, I would actually like to see a movie like this, I know therew ould be a huge out cry in America. Napolean black mmm good idea. I know most movies are made to cateer for that society and Holly represents America in alot of ways.
We can complain and winje but don't think anything will come of that.
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Posted By: Khabalood
Date Posted: 08-Nov-2005 at 00:58
Sounds like its time to call for a boycott. Whose with me
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Posted By: Prince of Persia 2
Date Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 06:39
in rofaghaye irani kona hastan ? dar gheyde hayatan ya na ? chera nemiaid toye threade iranian ham mihanan post konid ?
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Posted By: YusakuJon3
Date Posted: 09-Apr-2006 at 09:24
Just as with Stone's Alexander,
I have my doubts about the Hollywood treatment of historical figures
and events, creative license or not. I think a film about the
rise of Achaemenid Persia under Cyrus would make for a brilliant family
film illustrating some of the good and bad in such a person.
Hollywood "PC" tends to obssess with whether their subject was a
sensitive New Age boy or having their favorite actress run naked around
a set with a dagger in hand.
That being said, I'm pretty sure there are some actors and actresses
in Hollywood right now who'd be a better fit to the roles of Cyrus and
those around him than the usual suspects who get pulled up...
(Edit: "actress" with two r's...sugar high from morning coffee just became a crash...)
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Posted By: yazzmode621
Date Posted: 14-Apr-2006 at 01:12
Ok this movie was ready to be made 3 years ago yet they still havent found a way to pay for it. I really dont think they will find a way now(if they are even still trying). It would be awesome to see it though.
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Posted By: kingofmazanderan
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2006 at 16:54
OK i also agree if they want a realistic portrail of Cyrus and the Achamanids they need to cast people who at least look something like Persians. I think the movie if not made by the guys you are talking about will be made eventually some time in the near future hopefully.
Another thing not having to do with this subject is how do we know how the Persians lived there is little written evidence to tell us of there customs not counting Nowruz or other ancient holidays. I think it would be very difficult to make a movie about the Persians and Cyrus with out these facts.
I personally have read several books on Cyrus but most of them were fictional creations telling about his child hood. So you see it would be very hard to tell the story. With Alexander on the other hand and the ancient Greeks they had so much written facts and evidence of thier daily lives and about Alexander's personality as well.
These things are missing about Cyrus and the Persians so that is what i am basicly trying to say.
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Posted By: Digenis
Date Posted: 18-Apr-2006 at 17:54
Originally posted by YusakuJon3
Just as with Stone's Alexander,
I have my doubts about the Hollywood treatment of historical figures
and events, creative license or not.
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Whats your objections about historical accuracy in Stone's Alexander? Although,except the Gaugamela battle (awsome) ,the movie was really boring, the historical accuracy was more of a documentary film than of a movie . I could recognize 80% of the dialogues-they were taken as a whole from the sources! I think that a film,(esp a Hollywood film) cannot be more accurate than Alexander...
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Posted By: yazzmode621
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2006 at 16:22
Dude, that movie was totally inaccurate. For one, they said Babylon was the capital of Achaemenid Persia when in fact Perspolis was. They totally didnt even speak of Perspolis. Second, in the battle of Gaugamela, Alexander is supposed to be fighting the Persian army with Greek mercenaries. When he gets his troops ready, he says "For the glory of Greece!" which is totally false. If they wanted to be more 'accurate', then they should have said "For the glory of Macedonia!"
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Posted By: Behi
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2006 at 18:10
How are Iranians and Greeks portrayed in the Alexander movie? http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5272&KW=alexander - http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52 72&KW=alexander
Oliver Stone’s Alexander, Shame on Persians of Iran! http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=475&KW=alexander - http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=475& KW=alexander
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Posted By: Iranian41ife
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2006 at 20:03
Originally posted by Digenis
Originally posted by YusakuJon3
Just as with Stone's Alexander, I have my doubts about the Hollywood treatment of historical figures and events, creative license or not.
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Whats your objections about historical accuracy in Stone's Alexander? Although,except the Gaugamela battle (awsome) ,the movie was really boring, the historical accuracy was more of a documentary film than of a movie . I could recognize 80% of the dialogues-they were taken as a whole from the sources! I think that a film,(esp a Hollywood film) cannot be more accurate than Alexander...
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that movie was not historically accurate! what are you talking about?!
that movie was 90% pure hollywood bs, the other 10% may have been accurate, but the movie was garbage.
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