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    Posted: 23-Nov-2004 at 03:07

Here's a nice travelogue on modern day Turkey by a BBC reporter:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3998619.stm

Check the links to the right of the page.

I think that there're two Turkeys. Westernized West Turkey which may be a part of EU after some legislative changes and separation of State/Military from economic life. Eastern Turkey which is waaaaay back, closer to Midle Eastern standards in all aspects and cannot possibly be accepted in its present status.

Because of that 2nd part, Turkey will not be accepted in the EU any time soon. A status of "connection" will be acceptable for most EU countries but nothing more than this. I think that also Turkey understands that it's not ready and that it wont be for many years to come.

Pitty, because Greece would benefit a lot economicaly by Turkey's entrance.
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Originally posted by sephodwyrm

You know, I just think that there's also a lot of Turkey-bashing.
Why do I see more Turkish grad students in the US more than Greek grad students? Makes me wonder...

 

 that was a good one. DO you not also forget that there are about 7 times as many turks as greeks? ANd what does grad school have to do with anything? and wheres your proof of more Turk grads than greeks? how can you tell whos a Greek American? SUch nonsense is pointless to point. ANd Bullsh*tting won't help your cause.



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Thanx for the hearty reply, m8. I am not talking about Turkish or Greek American. I am talking about International students in general. I am an international in UCB and the Turks make up one of the best organized international student body. In fact, even the Taiwanese or Chinese student body doesn't come close.

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It appears to me that this thread is coming dangerously close to requiring the attention of the Moderators and Admins.  We are, at this point - well off topic. 

Also -  Please watch you language and remember that not only are there young people who are members of the forum - but that many older people do not appreciate the use of profanity as well.  The use of inappropriate language reflects badly on the forum in general, and on all its members.
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Posts: 481 		  Quote Christscrusader Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Nov-2004 at 18:47
well sophodwyrm i asked u and ill ask again. What proof do you have? Turks over Chinese and Tiwanese? Give me proof or don't say nuttin. Your "experience" is worth nothing without proof.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Nov-2004 at 19:33

I agree with 'vagabond' it does appear like we have gone off topic a little.

I still stand by what I said previously that UK, France and Russia are the most powerful countries in Europe due to the fact they are the only nations to possess Nuclear weapons.

Does anyone disagree?
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