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Topic: The Robin Hood legend myth or fact? Posted: 01-Dec-2005 at 16:39 |
What are the facts that the Robin Hood myth or legend is based upon?
I thought this would be a good nuetral topic.
I just thought of this off the top of my head. I tend to see the character as myth based on the reality of the period. I had the chance to walk through the real Sherwood Forest in England. It is a small fraction of the size it was in the medieval period. I was told that the ashes of many of the victims from the Black plague were buried there.
When I was there it was misty and I noticed that the dead upright tree trunks had faces on them when you looked closely, very spooky. Maybe this is where Walt Disney got the inspiration for his cartoons.
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Posted: 01-Dec-2005 at 17:24 |
I'm fairly certain that the legend is based on reality. It might have also been created in order to inspire young men, or to create a sense among the English people, that someone like Robin Hood is going to come and save them...
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Posted: 01-Dec-2005 at 18:52 |
i've heard theories that Robin Hood is based on William Wallace (Braveheart) from his pre-war days as a highway robber.
http://www.boldoutlaw.com/realrob/realrob2.html#hobbehod
talks about Robert Hod, a fugitive who Robin Hood may be based on, along with stories of other fugitives
http://www.highlanderweb.co.uk/wallace/truth7.htm
william wallace info
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Posted: 02-Dec-2005 at 07:43 |
well who composed robin hood?
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(im not albino..or pale!)
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Posted: 02-Dec-2005 at 09:45 |
"Robin
Hood" stories didn't appear until very late. (early 1500s) and
incorporate lots of featurs from various different stories.
here is the optamistic,enthusiasts version:
http://www.robinhood.ltd.uk/robinhood/
more balanced accounts:
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/n-s/r obin08.html
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Posted: 02-Dec-2005 at 09:59 |
I read somewhere that Robin Hood was indeed based on a real thief that
inhabited Sherwood Forest. However, this real person was certainly not
as amiable as Robin Hood.
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Posted: 02-Dec-2005 at 10:55 |
Hood was what robbers were called in the middle ages,theres a few
examples of thiefs called Robin the Hood.But i dont think theres any
evidence to suggest that 'a' Robin actually stayed in sherwood forrest.
As for his robbibg the rich and giving to the poor i dont believe that for a minute.
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Posted: 02-Dec-2005 at 12:29 |
Originally posted by Gavriel
As for his robbibg the rich and giving to the poor i dont believe that for a minute.
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It wouldn't be the first bandit to do it. Have you read the biography
of Phoolan Devi, for instance. Even selfish bandits (the vast majority)
did it often in order to keep a large ammount of civic allies. That
sort of delinquency is not so diferent from guerrilla war and it is
well know that guerillas are very dependent on the quiet alliance of
civil populations, so keeping them hhappy by redistributing part of the
bounty would elp the very purposes of the bandits. It's very logical.
Anyhow, if the case of Robin Hood, had political ramifications, that
is: he was an outlaw due to politics, then the reasons for such
behaviour would be greatly increased, even if we can't fully compare
his party with modern day guerrillas. In Spain for instace there
were several cases of anti-Napoleonic guerrilla leaders that eventually
became popular bandits whith Ferdinand VII, as they were too liberal to
bear that tyrant. The most famous case was El Empecinado.
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Posted: 02-Dec-2005 at 12:55 |
Most likely there have been several Robin Hoods:
Robert Hod - became outlaw in York in 1225 because of a debt
William Robehod - known as Robin Hood. An outlaw from Berkshire who was convicted in 1262
Gilbert Robynhod - a highwayman from Sussex (mentioned 1296)
Robyn Hode - mentioned in 1323
Robyn/Robert of Locksley - mentioned in 1196 and in 1203 as a man-at-arms
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Posted: 02-Dec-2005 at 13:57 |
I think he could easily have been based upon hereward the Wake. Many of the tales of the two have similarities.
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Posted: 02-Dec-2005 at 14:31 |
In my view anyway, the important part of the stories is that he is supposed to have been a dispossessed Saxon nobleman, but one who comes to terms with the Norman hegemony, accepting Richard I as his king, and is restored to his lands.
I think we have a political allegory here of the foundation of the English nation at the end of the 12th century, as the Saxon-Norman distinction begins to vanish. Paul is right about some similarities with Hereward, but Hereward, 150 years earlier, remains a rebel to the end. Robin Hood is perhaps Hereward politically corrected.
Which isn't to deny it may have been based on earlier stories about actual thieves, but I don't think the odd historical references to real thieves with similar names ever refer to noble Saxons.
Incidentally, T.H.White and others read the name "Hood" as a back formation from " 'ood " a common abbreviation of "Wood" at the time.
So Robin Hood, on that reading, would just be Robin of the Forest, and would have nothing to do with his headgear.
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Posted: 10-Dec-2005 at 23:42 |
Robin Hood is a character in the book Ivanhoe but this would make an interesting research project for AE if anyone wants to join me in this.
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Posted: 11-Dec-2005 at 13:55 |
Personally I really like the tale and I have actually been there and it seems possible to me that Sherwood Forest was once the setting for Robin Hood and his merry band of misfits.
However if there ever was a MAJOR forest it surely does not exist today. It is very green and misty with rolling hills and cool ponds and creeks but there are only patches of trees, hardly a thick mystical forest anymore at least not where I come from... But the location is a great staging point for raids all throughout England and Scottland etc so from a strategic point of view I think the story may have some validity.
Why not...
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Posted: 11-Dec-2005 at 20:22 |
In the 11th - 15th C 'forest' in England, meant the regions covered by
the forest laws. Only small parts of them were actual wooded territory.
As an aside, there was more cultivated land in England in 2000 BC
than in 1914 ! Large areas of England were turned
into woodland in the 18th and 19th C, because it looked nicer (country
houses etc came into fashion).
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Posted: 11-Dec-2005 at 23:41 |
Thats an interesting point. Robin Hood and his merry band of misfits were hiding within the metaphorical forest canopy of Sherwood Law but in actuality the group was laying low in the red light district of merry old London drinking and carousing...
Hmm. So much for medieval romance but this tale is probably much closer to the truth...
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Posted: 08-Jun-2006 at 15:17 |
Robin Hood was reputed to have originally been a Norman small landowner in Yorkshire.
I
believe that these stories began as a direct result of the English
resistance to the Norman conquest in the 1060/70's- the "silvatici" as
Normans called their nemeses(who hid out, lived in and attacked from
woodlands and fought as 'guerillas') under the command of the likes of
'Hereward 'the Wake' and earls Edwin, Waltheof and Morcar(with
Danish/Norse viking aid) etc, in the many huge and serious post-1066
revolts that cost William dear.
Due to the continuous inclusion
of Richard I in the stories(maybe added later?) of the 'merry men',
this must time his era as between 1189-99?
The supporters of the
former mighty warlord, Simon de Montfort, also became 'dispossessed' in
the 1260's after he was slain at Evesham(1265) and they lived out a
precarious, outlawed existence in the fens of Ely until being won over
by the general pardons of Prince Edward[later King Edward I] in 1267.
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Posted: 10-Jun-2006 at 19:08 |
see the following link....it's informative and fun.... http://www.britainexpress.com/Myths/robin-hood.htm
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Posted: 11-Jun-2006 at 08:30 |
Those are most definately not true!
Interesting though...
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