Hyping Islam ’s role in the History of Science

Not 100% sure, but I think Sanskrit maybe older.

I'll try my luck at hyping up a few scientists.

Abu Abdullah Muhammad Ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi (770-840) contributions in geometry, astronomy and geography. Claim to fame-solving first-order and quadratic polynomial equations. His treatise 'al Jabr and al-muqabalah' remained standard reading for centuries. 'al Jabr' eventually became the science of manipulating unknown quantities. Better known as 'Algebra'.

Abu Raihan al-Biruni was famous for his astrological works. His 'Elements of Astrology'  was standard text in  medieval european universities.

Avicenna, aka- Ibn Sina, was a Sufi theologian and philosopher. His medical testbook remained in use for hundreds of years and had written over 100 works. He paved the way for theoloians such as Thomas Aquinas.

Abu Bakr MUhammad Ibn Zakariya Ar-Razi, aka Rhazes, was an earlier physician who observed diseases and described the difference betweeen smallpox and measles.

Source -Renaissance (magazine) Issue #27

Originally posted by strategos Originally posted by Mila Originally posted by azimuth Originally posted by Plutarch Like Azimuth said, surely if Western Europeans were so superior then howcome they do not have any significant civilization to speak of past 1200 years?  They too, like every civilised people before them accomplished off the back of others' achievements. What is so glorious about Greece is that they did do it on their own.  After the dark ages Greece emerged as something uniquely Greek.  Hence them refering to foreigners as barbarians, and coming to think of themselves as superior to others.  From then on European civilization mostly just built on itself.  Does it matter what time period?  Look at what a people did accomplish, not what they accomplished at a very particular time period.   no European civilization didnt Mostly built itself from the Greek civilization. and yes the time period is important, did the Europeans built anything as magnificent as the Pyramids? they were built more than 4000 years ago and the highest is more than 140 meters high, which equals to 30+ floor building. did they have the largest and the richest emipre in the ancient times? NO then who did? they Mesopotamians and the persians, the egyptians and the chines and  non of them are Europeans you are denying whole part of history just for your racist thinking and that European are the Advanced most intellegent civilization existed in all history!! welll get this History didnt start in the last 500 years, it started very very long time ago, the recorded history started in the Middle east. the greatest civilization started in the middle east. two of the world's major religions started there. NOT Europe, it was the EAST. the Greek's alphabets came from Semitic Alphabets , the current numericals you are using didnt come from Europe either i advice you to think before writing such ignorant racist posts which may lead to your ban.   What are you clapping about? European roots DO come from Greeks and Romans, if you say no then who did they build on? The Pyramids are good buildings, but that was not even In the middle east. Greeks were really rich in the ancient tiems, I do not know what you are talking about. Especially when Alexander conquered this flourishing middle east.. Just because it starts somewhere does not make it the best.. The Greek alphabet did not COME from Phoenicians, but it was based off it. This topic is about Islam not about preislamic civilizations, and Islams contributions

first of all Thank you Mila

strategos, What are YOU talking about?!  read the posts carefully then make your comments.

i didn't say European root didnt come from Greek,

I didn't say that Greek weren't Rich in the ancient time.

and when i said Greek Aphabet came from the Phoenican's alphabet i meant it was developed from it. obviously they are not the same but one was developed from the other.

and about the topic and what it is about, the topic seems like it is about islam and the Posts made by the author were  more than that, they were about the superiority of the White genes and the christan civilization over the rest of the world through history.

Plutarch, I'm just going to give some examples - first of all the myth of Heraclius is not completely, totally over-totaly greek. It resembles the myth of Gilgamesh (sumerian). Second, I'll gladly see Greek civilization without the wheel, the chariot, the iron. But this is not going to happen. The fact is several circumsances are known prior to your civilization (like one city-state for instance, and trade), so the greek civ had a base on which to develop. I agree that your civ was unique, but it did not happen all on their own (ancient greeks). The float of ideas from Egypt and Sumer can't be under-estimated.

And now on the topic, let's not forget that the Arabs are the first to have translated ancient texts, and brought them into Europe via the Iberrian peninsula. Their scientifical research was prior to the one in Europe, where some science discussions are simply obstructed by the church. In math, surgery, astronomy the float of ideas was quite higher among the muslims, and to deny their role in the Renaissance is absurd. After all the influence on Spain and France was immense.

Good point, Maju. Democracy was not invented by Greeks, this is an Orientalist lie. It was, and is, common practice among tribal people everywhere. Civilisation, on the other hand, goes hand in hand with centralisation of power-structures, which is not a democratic process. Greek city states, like the German city states much later, benefited from their independent status in developing new ideas.

In any case, ancient Greeks were much more similar both genetically and culturally to the Middle Eastern civilisations than to Germanic or Celtic or whatever barbarians who lived in Europe. It is pathetic to claim ancient Greek achievements for Germans.

Back to the topic,

Muslim scientists have contributed to the ancient knowledge. These contributions are often not recognised by the Orientalist historians, as usual. One example, from the top of my head, they tell us that the circulation of blood was discovered by Harvey in the 1700s (or was it 1600s) in England. In fact it was being taught in Syrian madrasas when the Crusaders came around, in the 11th century.

Arguably the most important innovation by Muslims was experimentation. Modern science is based on experimentation (induction) as well as rational speculation (deduction). The ancient Greeks despised experimentation (it is physical work- slave work) and focused on deductive effort, thinking that one can attain true knowledge by reason only. Some Muslims have actually done experiments to test their theories, and thus got closer to modern scientific method.

What are you clapping about? European roots DO come from Greeks

Strategos said those. So we are the step fathers of Europeans since every Greek has a Turkish grand father...