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Originally posted by Al Bedawi im rather satisfied. Theres one of me and 14-16 of you who have done nothing but run your mouths about the arabs all day and now when I say one to two things you cry?

Good Point Maybe If Turks dont want to hear bad thing from Arabs, They should not say it too.

 

Arab nationalism was at first started by christian writers in lebanon, in the late 19th century, and the christian schools (sent by the french) helped also(these were before young tuks), and these writers were put into the trial and executed(for spreading over ideas that is against the base idea of the ottoman state as a muslim country and not an ethnic one).

But if we take a look on the ottoman empire it was an islamic empire,The sultans are of turcoman origins, the Janisseries were from current-day albania, and there were artists from the whole ottoman state who built Istanbul like artists and painters from egypt, The official language was arabic, and it is said that Selim Khan wanted to convert turkish speaking people to arabic but he was opposed by the oloma, for this is no reason for this.

The ottomans sent troops to Andalucia, Indonesia, china, fought Portugals for their attack on mulsims in india and kicked the spanish out of the middeterrean sea, they fought only for islam.

I wonder whether people who call themselves arabs, wuold still arabs if the ottomans didn't rule the middleeast and north africa, ofcourse they would have been conquered by the rising power of the spanish which would have easily defeat the already weakening Mamlukes( they had already begun to conquer some cities in north africa like Tarablus), and arabs would face the same destiny of South America and Granada, and they would be now christian spanish-talking people(no body survives the inquisition!!), or they woud have been conquered by russia and face total annihilation like muslims in Crimea or volga-bulgaria, what else would have hapenned?

I think that we all should be thankful to the ottoman state and review our nationalism.

Ottomans REFUSED to aid adalusia as Bo'abdil and his Fathers before them claimed to be the Khalifate amir ul Muslimeen , and The British (or english) at that time declared that if the Turks (or anyone else) should interfre with the Reconquista that they would not be allowed to trade with them.

the Ottomans had several dealings with the Kings of northern europe and especially with the english and its important markets and access to ghent (a belgian city) and did NOTHING to assist the Muslims of spain.

Infact the Turks Paid the ransom of the Dahimmitude  to the spanish crown after grenada fell and did NOTHING to assist the Muslimeen of this land.

They then settled the jews in southern syria. 

it was .

You may do well to weep like a woman for those things you failed to defend like a man.

Kings of Granada asked for help from both the mamlukes and the ottomans, but the  major militaristic confrontation was held by the ottomans, when bayezid II ordered Kamal Raeis for the first time to help Spanish Muslims in 1487, and that order was based on the request of the ruler of Granada who sent a poem to the ottoman state telling about the Christian Spain attack on Muslims, and asking for help and support to save Muslim Spain from the hands of the enemies, and since then the ottoman ships roamed the western middetearean and launched pirate attacks against commercial European ships and also provided the moriscos (Muslims who were forced to be Christian ) with weapons, and moreover defending northern African ports against European invaders.

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Anyway, after the ottomans conquered northern Africa, they offered an alliance with the kingdom of morocco, to launch reverse attack against Spain, so that Muslim expansion through Europe to be from the west of Europe in addition to the east, but the king of morocco refused since he was afraid of an ottoman domination over his kingdom.

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By the way, the Jewish came to the ottoman state, not the ottomans settled the Jewish.

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Firstly i am shocked at what is being said in this topic. I havent logged on for a while and when i do i see people posting things that their grandfathers have said, which to be honest i the things said are quite silly and have no place here.

Al Bedawi thank you for your first thread, you had many interesting yet true points. However you did not explain the tale of when the Yemenis asked for Ottoman help aginst the British,whenthe Turks came the Yemenis and British jointly attacked the Turks. Plz explain.

If the Arabs did not except the authority of the Turkish Caliph the true they had a fair point although the Sharia says that those that try to divde the unity of the Ummah should be killed. WHy after independents did the Arabs not bring back the Caliph, if it was so important to them?

The point about Muslim Spain is not quite true. As the TUrks at thetime had internal problems and yet sent a few ships (Not nearly enough to do much good)

I try to make points not as a Turk but as a historian. THis is what i have learned from my research. Do not get insulted for you to are a brother

Originally posted by Oguzoglu "Turk has no friend but Turk." My grandpa, 1990s...

I'm sorry to say this that I think your grandpa is a narrow-minded person.  Friends are earned. You can never be friends with others if you try to exclude them from your circle of friendship. 

Originally posted by Fizzil I think the entire point was a ploy, i'm not sure really but based on historical reasons the yemenis were under heavy ottoman influence before the british started to intervene in the arabian peninsula, in another point i have to stress is the yemenis are back stabbers, not ordinary backstabbers at that, not even the british remained for too long. Most famous example is when they fought the saudi army in the morning, and fought the egyptian army THAT IS helping them at night (yemeni civil war during the hieght of arab nationalism).

And I think above saying is appicable to Yemenis. They seemed to be  the friends of their own. Personally, I despise them.

Originally posted by Fizzil The objective of the arab revolt was to rid itself of ottman rule, and establish a united arab state from morroco to the gulf, with a caliph at the center who is the sherrif of mecca, the british promised them they would establish an arab state, but they didn't quite get through with their promise. I'd say between WWI 1918's till the 1950 was enough time for the dreams of a united caliphate to erode and arab nationalism to fester and grow. On the turkish caliph, i can't recall his name, he is considered a legitimate caliph.

No one should blame Arabs for their nationalistic activities whatever the aftermath was. They had the right to try to gain the power to decide their own fate.

Originally posted by Fizzil I read that too, the turks were the only defenders of Islam, up until attaturk abolished the caliphate. The only arab states who successfully fought european colonisation were the omanis and to some extent the algerians. I wouldn't blame them however most arab states were not that well off, the ottomans were the only force that is able to project their forces and mobilise them effectively.

What an objective point!!!!

Originally posted by Fizzil To Osmanli: I am arab too and none of your posts offend me, i really admire your behaviour and conduct on these forums, you are a very humble, decent and intelligent person. I wish every muslim would be like you, but thats wishful thinking only

I've got exteremly happy to read this post!

 

I think this topic is really disgusting.A Bedevi tell a word and we are dealing with it , cant we see his complex about Turks, so this Bedevi ruled his camel we ruled the world our difference is that we are not equal

Originally posted by Al Bedawi The Fact that Sufis were allowed to visit the graves of The Sahaba and Play music Much to the protests of The Sherieef of Mekka.

I think you raise several good points and concerns, but I would like a reference for this particular one: name, date, exact statements and source.

Ma`salam