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Sharrukin
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Topic: who were the (original) Slavs? Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 02:13 |
Why is it inaccurate regarding Macedonia?
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Menippos
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Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 03:57 |
I don't find the map inaccurate. I find it rather peculiar.
All other regions are noted with plain, italic capitals, whereas
Macedonia and Thrace are in block bold capitals. Why is there special
interest shown for these regions? I wonder...
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Phallanx
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Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 06:31 |
The communists have done their trick. Greater Macedonia and a Greter
Thrace were always their dream thanks to dear old mamma Russia.
What I find equally interesting beside the block bold capitals in the
names mentioned is that the ONLY city mentioned is that of
Thessaloniki. Looks alot like some of the propaganda maps I've seen
promoted by the FYROMians right after they issued the bank notes with
the "White Tower" of Thessaloniki on them.
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philiptheuniter
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Posted: 18-Aug-2005 at 00:36 |
Originally posted by Paul
I always thought the Slav's were the ancient Greeks of Plato and Alexander's time.
After they got kicked out of ancient Greece they headed east, became nomadic barbarians for a few centuries and returned to Europe as the Slav's.
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Is that a joke?
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Maju
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Posted: 18-Aug-2005 at 01:40 |
Originally posted by Menippos
I don't find the map inaccurate. I find it rather peculiar.
All other regions are noted with plain, italic capitals, whereas
Macedonia and Thrace are in block bold capitals. Why is there special
interest shown for these regions? I wonder...
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I think that has a logic explanation: all names in italics are names of
peoples like Finns, Lithuanians or Bulgarians, while Macedonia and
Thrace are names of geographical regions. Why did the author only name
those regions and not others? That's another story. But for the sake of
the topic I would try not to be so much nitty-picky.
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Sharrukin
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Posted: 18-Aug-2005 at 02:24 |
I think the reason for the scarcity of place-names is the size of the printed map itself. It only measures 2 1/2" x 2 5/8" (6.3 x 6.7 cm) on paper. With such a small space to work with, the publisher himself needed to make the print big enough for most to see with little difficulty, without overlapping other map labels.
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Posted: 18-Aug-2005 at 03:39 |
Sharrukin saves the day!
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Menippos
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Posted: 18-Aug-2005 at 03:53 |
I disagree. The author has a clear preference to these regions for some
reason. I am sure that, regarding the development of slavic
communities, there are more important regions than Macedonia and
Thrace. Those should have been mentioned rather than the ones above.
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Sharrukin
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Posted: 18-Aug-2005 at 23:00 |
If you were looking at this map compared to other maps in the entire atlas, you would probably not even notice the labeling, to draw such conclusions. The atlas is concerned with the entire scope of world history, and it does an awesome job of doing that, with beautiful colored and detailed maps. That particular map is so minor, compared to other maps in the atlas, some of which take two facing pages, that it's virtually ignorable!!! It's really one of a handful of maps of the smallest scale in the entire atlas. With that perspective, no one who casually uses this atlas, can draw such conclusions. There is no conspiracy here.
The author chose to label regions using Slavic tribal names instead of place-names. So what? When it comes to Macedonia and Thrace, there really were not any major Slavic tribal group. The historic sources simply called those Slavic groups in those two regions, Sclavini, "Slavs". Yes, we read of such groups as the Melingi and the Ezerites, but they were so minor compared to the major tribal groups further north, that, on a map of this small scale their mention would have been very disproportionate to the regions they actually inhabited.
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