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    Posted: 01-Jul-2005 at 01:08
Otto von Hapsburg, still kicking after 93 years, holds the rights to the Byzantine throne. How does the Greek government regard him, if at all? For that matter, the same question goes for the supposed descendants of the Comneni.

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Well the Habsburgs returned to Hungary after 1990. So they are here if something happens and we would need a king. They are here and they are waiting.



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Since there is no Byzantine throne or empire,he is nothing more than a simple foreigner.The same for all the descedants,if they really exist of the Komnenoi.We have democracy now.
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Look at this thread for more pretenders to the Byzantine throne:

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1919&KW= Pretenders
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Has there ever been a monachist revolution?
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I should have put this in Historical Amusement...

Say that the Balkan peninsula is reorganized into a sort of Neo-Byzantine Empire (yes, I am aware of the extreme impossibility), would a Balkan native be put on the throne, or would these foreigners be accepted? Speaking of which, the supposed descendants of the Comneni are not entirely foreign.  They are Spaniard/Greek, I believe.
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Originally posted by Cywr

Has there ever been a monachist revolution?

1660 in England? Perhaps a restoration, but surely also a revolution? 

1688 in England and 1830 in France? Replaced one monarch with another more constitutional, but still a monarchist revolution no? (In England it's referred to as the 'Glorious Revolution'.

Augustus' replacement of the Roman republic, de facto if not de jure?

Among the Greek city-states I think you'll find examples. 

Generally speaking though it does seem that once you're unfortunate enough to lose your monarchy, it's very difficult to get one back again.

(In 1957 John Steinbeck wrote a very funny book 'The Short Reign of Pippin IV' about a restoration of the Merovingians in France in the mid-fifties.)
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Originally posted by Belisarius

I should have put this in Historical Amusement...

Say that the Balkan peninsula is reorganized into a sort of
Neo-Byzantine Empire (yes, I am aware of the extreme impossibility),
would a Balkan native be put on the throne, or would these foreigners
be accepted? Speaking of which, the supposed descendants of the Comneni
are not entirely foreign. They are Spaniard/Greek, I believe.



I think " supposed" is the operative term here.
They have about much right to the Byzantine throne as I have.
On second thoughts, now that I have found out that there was a German Byzantine Emperor, maybe I should start digging around in my forefathers past. You'll never know!
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Eh... they might not accept you, Komnenos. Are you not Catholic? 
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Eh... they might not accept you, Komnenos. Are you not Catholic?



I was baptised a Catholic, but I could always convert to Greek Orthodoxy.
One should make sacrifices for the good of the people!
Georgios I Komnenos, sounds good to me!
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Originally posted by Komnenos

Originally posted by Belisarius

Eh... they might not accept you, Komnenos. Are you not Catholic? 



I was baptised a Catholic, but I could always convert to Greek Orthodoxy.
One should make sacrifices for the good of the people!
Georgios I Komnenos, sounds good to me!

Admirable. In the best tradition of noblesse oblige, and a monarch's readiness to serve his subjects.

And 'Paris vaut bien une messe'.

 
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