On the subject of Taiwan

"WARHEAD~~ look at this!! Wasn't it you that said China doesn't teach their children that Taiwan is related to China by blood?  Oh, wait, is it still me that's the one dellusional, or is it you?"

Look at what? A single nationalistic claimers just convinced you what course that PRC is teaching? If so not only are you dellusional you are a logicless fool.

Hey demon,

    Don't blame the act of the Communist "mobster" government on the Hans.  The fact that you said "elitist" doesn't take away from the fact that the designation of "Han" here is totally unnecessary.

Peace,

Michael

9-3-2004

To Warhead

Prove that in UN Taiwan belongs to China to me.  By international law, Taiwan does not belong to PRC.

And stop avoiding the truth.  It's not like I don't know people from China.  It's not like I don't have friends working in China.  You can deney all you want, doesn't make it less true.

Yeah yeah, the nationalist government even during the years when they retreated to Taiwan, still claims that they have the nation of mongolia as part of their territory.  That doesn't make Mongolia a part of ROC in the eyes of international law, nor does it make Mongolia a part of PRC territory.

to fastspawn,

I am not avoiding anything.  But you obviously haven't been reading.

ROC did not have Taiwan as one of its provence before WW2.  And Taiwan can not be a provence of ROC after WW2.

Just because ROC claimed it, doesn't mean its ownership is according to international law.  Just like ROC claiming Mongolia did't mean it has international right to Mongolia.  Therefore, eventhough ROC claimed both places, PRC does not have the right to own Taiwan and Mongolia for that reason. 

That is also the reason why China's invasion of East Turkistan and Tibet are condemed by the international communities.  Not just because of the pure brutality that the PRC army commited, but also because Tibet and East Turkistan were not ROC territory by international law.  They were independent states.  

Taiwan was Japanese territory.  After Japan gave up the right to this land without giving it to any one nation, the future of Taiwan is to be decided by the Taiwanese people according to UN charter.

Very good, that is great.  Finally someone who is making this whole thread a little more worth while.  That's go trhough this.

Taiwan is recongized by 26 states.  Including Panama and the Vatican.

Yes, but Japan has to make treaties with each individual countries regarding these properties is given to them.  The Taipei Treaty would be similar to that, only Japan didn't mention giving Taiwan to ROC in that treaty either.

Article 2A clearly answers your question.

Once again, thanks for digging out facts.

Begining with last point first.  Taiwan has ceded to claim ownership of entire China, so how can these 26 nations recognize Taipei as the seat of the government of whole China, when Taiwan, or the ROC government itself does not??

Second,

Please notice the word "nationals" here.  There is a difference between nationals and citizens.  Such as people of Guam and Puerto Rico are "Nationals" of the United States of America, but NOT citizens of America.  This article is written for the purpose of letting ROC administrate Taiwan until Taiwan is ready to make self determination.  This is just like Papua New Guinea and several other undetermined territories after the world war two.  Nations received the surrender of the occuping forces were mandated by the United Nations to administrate these undetermined territories until its population are ready to make self determination.

"An Han-Elitist Communist society is worse IMO.  Lamaist government don't run protesting students over with tanks."

What elitist are you mumbling about? The article of PRC clearly mention all minority have the same right, and they even have privileges. Sure lamaist govenrment don't run over students with tanks, thats if there is any large number of educated students in tibet at all and more if the government could afford tanks.