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Maju
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Topic: Greece and Turkey genetic map( today) Posted: 04-Oct-2005 at 07:07 |
That sounds quite logic: overall Turkey's population is clearly
Caucasian while Central Asian population is rather Mongoloid (North
Asian), though more mixed than other groups. Not that Caucasians and
North Asians are too distant in the family tree of Humankind but
anyhow.
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Leonidas
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Posted: 04-Oct-2005 at 07:45 |
http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/HG_2004_v114_p127-148. pdf
Found The link to the "Excavating
Y-chromosome haplotype strata in Anatolia"
Published online 29 Oct 2003
This to me seems to be the most up
to date and detailed one so far. It divides Turkey into regions which would be great
to drill down to the detail of the genetic impacts of migrations to/from Anadolia
as I would think most migrations never affected the whole area evenly. The finding
are good reading, and in its conclusion addresses some of the other earlier
studies including "DNA
diversity and population admixture in Anatolia", and it
has similar doubts that Maju brought up.Bravo Maju unless you have read this
already
"Minor
genetic influence of Turkic speakers various estimates exist of the proportion
of gene flow associated with the arrival of Central Asian Turkic speaking people
to Anatolia. One study based on analyses of six STR loci in 88 Y-chromosomes
from Turkey suggested only a 10% contribution (Rolf et al. 1999). Another study
suggests roughly 30% based upon mtDNA control region sequences and one binary
and six STR Y-chromosome loci analyzed in 118 Turkish samples (Di Benedetto et
al. 2001). While it is likely that gene flow between Central Asia and Anatolia
has occurred repeatedly throughout prehistory, uncertainties regarding source
populations and the number of such episodes between Central Asia and Europe
confound any assessment of the contribution of the 11th century AD Oghuz nomads
responsible for the Turkic language replacement. These new Y-chromosome data
provide candidate haplogroups to differentiate lineages specific to the
postulated source populations, thus overcoming potential artifacts caused by
indistinguishable overlapping gene flows. The best candidates for estimations are
Asian-specific haplogroups C-RPS4Y (Wells et al. 2001; Karafet et al. 2001;
Zerjal et al. 2003) and O3-M122 (Su et al. 2000). These lineages occur at 1.5%
in Turkey (8/523). Using Central Asian Y-chromosome data from either 13
populations and 149 samples (Underhill et al. 2000) or 49 populations and 1,935
samples (Wells et al. 2001) where these diagnostic lineages occur at 33% and
18%, respectively, their estimated contributions range from 0.0153/0.329 100=4.6%
to 0.0153/0.180100=8.5%. During the Bronze Age the population of Anatolia
expanded, reaching an estimated level of 12 million during the late Roman
Period (Russell 1958). Such a large pre-existing Anatolian population would
have reduced the impact by the subsequent arrival of Turkic speaking Seljuk and
Osmanlı groups from Central Asia. Although the genetic legacy of Anatolia
remains somewhat inchoate, our excavations of these new levels of shared
Y-chromosome heritage and subsequent diversification provide new clues to Anatolian
prehistory, as well as a substantial foundation for comparisons with other
populations. Our results demonstrate Anatolias role as a buffer between
culturally and genetically distinct populations, being both an important source
and recipient of gene flow."Pg 9
As you can see there still needs more
work, but the picture is getting clearer. The Scientist are comfortable
with the 12 million estimates becuase they keep seeing it their
results ....while the "it was empty when we got there" story should of consistantly showed up in all of these studies by now.
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Maju
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Posted: 04-Oct-2005 at 08:31 |
You are the one who is bringing very interesting data to this topic,
Leonidas, you are the one that should be congratulated.
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Jhangora
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Posted: 04-Oct-2005 at 08:46 |
Originally posted by Yiannis
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My name is Yiannis, not moderator
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My name on this forum is KatulaKatula n Dinesh Mohan Raturi in real life n not "there".
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"Hi there" is just an expression used widelly, please don't get offended as it wasn't meant to be offensive! (it's actually not)
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U r a moderator arn't u.U should not have been offended when I addressed u as Mr.Moderator.
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Near East greece has more R-red(West European) genes than turkey, but same greece also is the most afrotic(E-green) nation in Europe and have significant middle east-north african j genes Major groups in Europe Turkey is mostly J2 but it is normaly less then quarter percent - J2=24%
-Typical of populations of the Near East, Southeast Europe,
Southwest Asia and the Caucasus
- R1b=14.7% -Typical of Western Europeans and Eurasian People
- G=10.9% - Typical of people from the Caucasus and to a lesser extent the Middle East.
- E1b1b1=10.7% - Typical of people from the Mediterranean
- J1=9% - Typical amongst people from the Arabian Peninsula and Dagestan
- R1a=6.9% - Typical of Central Asian, Caucasus, Eastern Europeans and Indo-Aryan people.
- I=5.3% - Typical of Central Europeans, Western Caucasian and Balkan populations.
- K=4.5% - Typical of Asian populations and Caucasian populations.
- L=4.2% - Typical of Indian Subcontinent and Khorasan populations.
- N=3.8% - Typical of Uralic, Siberian and Altaic populations.
- T=2.5% - Typical of Mediterranean, Northeast African and South Asian populations
- Q=1.9% - Typical of Northern Altaic populations.
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Posted: 02-Dec-2011 at 19:14 |
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtmland Top 8 of Haplogroup(Y-DNA) in Turkey j2 r1b g2a e1 j1 r1a i2 l
Edited by Ollios - 02-Dec-2011 at 19:15
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