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    Posted: 15-Jan-2014 at 10:54
Why the people in West give more attention to Greek Church in Istanbul ?

It is just responsible for nearly 25 million people

but Russian Church is 150 million so Greek one doesn't seem to have much importance then Romania Church (16 million)





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Orthodox churches of each country are independent. In Orthodox Christianity there is no religious center of power, like Rome for Catholics or Mecca for the Muslims. The spiritual center of Orthodox Christianity is Mount Athos in Greece- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Athos . The Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople has a status "first among equals". Because of its historical location at the capital of former Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire its role is quite prestigious.

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in Byzantine Empire emerged as a reaction against the excessive involvement of the Pope with the secular and political affairs.
Against moral degradation and mercantilism of the Roman Catholic Church five centuries before Luther. The idea that every church is part of its own country is the basis of opposition to the wishes of Pope to be accepted as a leader of the Christian world.
In fact, the Patriarch of Constantinople as church legate at the court of the Eastern Roman Emperor was equal to the Pope.

Constantinople was the cradle of Orthodox Christianity, and that will never be forgotten.
For example, many of the first Bulgarian patriarchs were educated in Constantinople.
They received books of religious themes and knowledge survived from antiquity.
Architectural trends in the construction of temples and monasteries have been copied from Constantinople and Byzantium as a whole, then developed with a view to national characteristics.


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It is all in the hands of our modern historians and politicians! The best of them know almost nothing!!

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  Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jan-2014 at 00:35
Originally posted by opuslola

It is all in the hands of our modern historians and politicians! The best of them know almost nothing!!

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Would you care to elaborate on this? To whom were you directing your post?
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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jan-2014 at 11:21
Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis

Orthodox churches of each country are independent.


First of all, there are two Orthodox Churches on Earth; Eastern and Orient and they don't always independent such as in New World. Example Bulgarian Church has branches and churches in America. We can say that nations has independent churches but some of them under the other national churches. For example Ukraine Orthodox Church (MP) (the biggest in Ukraine)and Russian Ortodoks Churches.

By the way, I have just learnt Ukraine has three Orthodox churches Shocked 

Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis


In Orthodox Christianity there is no religious center of power, like Rome for Catholics or Mecca for the Muslims.


Mecca (actually Kaabe) is just a holy place, not authority as Catholic Church or Pope. It is like Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem.

Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis

The spiritual center of Orthodox Christianity is Mount Athos in Greece- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Athos .


Wiki says that "
Athos is home to 20 stavropegial Eastern Orthodox monasteries under the direct jurisdiction of the patriarch of Constantinople."

so it still belongs to patriarch of Cons.

Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis

The Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople has a status "first among equals". Because of its historical location at the capital of former Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire its role is quite prestigious.


I have known this (first among equals) term, but does it change anything? Any special right?

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  Quote Kanas_Krumesis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Jan-2014 at 15:39
Eastern Orthodox Christians do not accept the churches of the Orient for fraternal. Assyrians and Armenians are so close to Orthodoxy as close are Catholics and Protestants. We`re Christians but from different congregations. Each branch has its own specifics in confession of Christianity.

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situation with three alternatives churches in Ukraine is a consequence of the historical development of the state. The majority of Ukraine for centuries been an integral part of the Russian Empire. The western regions (Galicia) were never part of the Russian state before 1940. Orthodoxy there was professed by the villagers, and in the cities is ruled Catholicism. After the collapse of the USSR and the creation of an independent Ukrainian state arises the need of creating its own church institutions. This is evidence that in Orthodox Christianity the church is part of the nation and society, and not a separate entity.

 On the Balkans we have a conflict between Serbian Orthodox church and the newborn Macedonian church.
Serbs consider that never before existed a Christian nation and state with the name of Macedonia, and only they are allowed on church property and the right to worship in the area. In fact according to the Orthodox standards the new country needs her own church and this is her right.

There may be occasions when the majority of the population of a country does not confess Orthodox Christianity. However, the corresponding Orthodox church organization is called: Finnish Orthodox Church or Korean Orthodox Church.

The situation with the Patriarchate of Constantinople and its role for the Greek state and nation shows just one - in the eyes of the Greeks Byzantium never ceased to exist, the institutions of Byzantium are still alive and one day Byzantium will rise again.


You said: "Mecca (actually Kaabe) is just a holy place, not authority as Catholic Church or Pope. It is like Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem."
I said that Mecca is
religious center of power. First of all Mecca is a city and this city is totally forbidden for non-Muslims. Secondly Islam emerged in Mecca, Mohammed is from Mecca and every year to worship there flocking millions of Muslims all around the world. There are exchanged radical ideas. The holder of Mecca and Medina (king of Saudi Arabia) has enormous power to modeled behavior of the masses in the Islamic world. In Orthodox Christianity we don`t have such place like Mecca. For Bulgarians activities of the Patriarch of Constantinople does not matter. We just feel brotherly sympathy towards him.

There is big difference in terms "under direct juristdiction" and "belongs to". The Patriarch of Constantinople administrate Mount Athos, but he is not owner of
all monasteries there. For example St. Panteleimon Monastery belongs to the Russian nation, Saint George the Zograf Monastery belongs to the Bulgarian nation, Hilandar Monastery belongs to the Serbian nation and Holy Monastery of Iviron belongs to the Georgian nation.
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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jan-2014 at 01:06
Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis

We`re Christians but from different congregations. Each branch has its own specifics in confession of Christianity.

There is same thing in also Islam. We have many branches. Even some of them hate each other. Why do you think some terrorists attack mosques in Iraq?

Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis


I said that Mecca is religious center of power. First of all Mecca is a city and this city is totally forbidden for non-Muslims. Secondly Islam emerged in Mecca, Mohammed is from Mecca and every year to worship there flocking millions of Muslims all around the world.


We are calling it as "pilgrimage". It is in most of religion expect Chrisitanity.

Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis


There are exchanged radical ideas.


This is ISLAMPHOBİA


Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis


The holder of Mecca and Medina (king of Saudi Arabia) has enormous power to modeled behavior of the masses in the Islamic world.


First of all, Catholic Church in Rome or Patriarchy in Constantinople, How old? and How long Saudi Arabs control Mecca

Does Turkey have right on Orthodox just because Hagia Sophia is in Turkey. It is same thing. Saudi King is just responsible for visiting. For example, begining of Ramadan Festival is on different day in Turkey then Saudi Arabia. Even Saudi Arabs are in different branch so are you listening Catholic Pope? and I think in Arabic world(not Islamic), schools in Cairo have more authority


Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis


For Bulgarians activities of the Patriarch of Constantinople does not matter. We just feel brotherly sympathy towards him.


If there is real election such as pope election between all Eastern Orthodox. I think new patriarch would be Russian.

Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis


There is big difference in terms "under direct juristdiction" and "belongs to". The Patriarch of Constantinople administrate Mount Athos, but he is not owner of all monasteries there. For example St. Panteleimon Monastery belongs to the Russian nation, Saint George the Zograf Monastery belongs to the Bulgarian nation, Hilandar Monastery belongs to the Serbian nation and Holy Monastery of Iviron belongs to the Georgian nation.


This is something new. Thanks Big smile


Edited by Ollios - 17-Jan-2014 at 01:10
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