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    Posted: 03-Jan-2014 at 14:55
I suppose everyone know about Christopher Columbus's discovery so i digged a little bit and i found this thing about him, that Christopher Columbus has had a strong impact on the lives of American Indians. Small kids learn frequently about this impeccable personality in their history and social science classes. Christopher is really popular for his 15th century ocean voyages. He was also the first European to visit America. So see here some new interesting things http://columbianexchange.org/what-were-the-major-effects-of-christopher-columbus-on-the-american-indians/
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jan-2014 at 21:32
Sorry Javier, but your source is a few cents short of a dollar!

But continue to post!

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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jan-2014 at 08:36

Columbus didn't discover anything except how to get a government to support an expedition.

As to discovering America, Columbus was dead last, and certainly not the first European to set foot here.
The Basques and the Vikings were ahead of him by centuries.  There is now considerable evidence that Roman Jews were in the South West 5th-8th cent ce[AD]
 
In North America, the Megalithic Culture inhabited the coastal regions from Maine to the Carolinas approx. 4000 BCE.  These were the same folks who built Stonehenge.
 
Your sources are uninformed Old World Eurocentrists.  The idea that the Spanish brought clothing to the Amerindians is idiotic.  The Spanish brought death and disease, brutality and religous ignorance and the mindless destruction of civilizations and cultures that existed here for thousands of years.
 
Fact, Columbus never set foot in North America. He originally landed in the Carribean on an Island he named "Hispanola".
 
Your link is to a site that attempts to show the Amerindians as barbarian savages when, in fact it was the Spanish who were the Barbarians.  There reasons for being here were conquest and gold, nothing more.
 
 


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  Quote beorna Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jan-2014 at 09:13
Originally posted by red clay

Columbus didn't discover anything except how to get a government to support an expedition.

As to discovering America, Columbus was dead last.

Well, he discovered hispaniola. So he discovered America, but not the continent, but just an island in the caribean Sea. And as it seems did he not discover this first, Portuguese and French seem to have been there, the Vikings had been there, maybe as well henry Sinclair. But what Columbus' journey caused, was to make these "new" continent public.
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jan-2014 at 09:48
A common reply to the idea that he made knowledge of the Americas public, "Everyone and his dog knew it was there, the idea that half of the world was unknown is ridiculous".  It's fairly well known that Columbus wasn't sailing into the unknown, he had maps made several hundred years prior. It was what convinced the Spanish Crown to fork out the cash for his expedition.
 
 
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  Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jan-2014 at 06:48
Originally posted by Javier

I suppose everyone know about Christopher Columbus's discovery so i digged a little bit and i found this thing about him, that <span style="border: 0px; font-family: 'PT Sans', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: line; line-height: 22.399999618530273px;"><span style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: line;"><span style="border: 0px; font-family: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: line;">Christopher Columbus has had a strong impact on the lives of American Indians. Small kids learn frequently about this impeccable personality in their history and social science classes. Christopher is really popular for his 15th century ocean voyages. He was also the first European to visit America. So see here some new interesting things http://columbianexchange.org/what-were-the-major-effects-of-christopher-columbus-on-the-american-indians/</span></span></span>



Your post is very wide of the mark. The indigenous South American people are not commonly referred to as American Indians, that name is for the indigenous North American people. Columbus did not discover the Americas. He certainly was not the "Knight in Shining Armour" you paint him to be. He was a greedy blood thirsty con man whose only reason to be in South America was to steal gold from the natives. Whether intended or not, the disease he brought to South America was instrumental in wiping out the majority of a culture, who had survived murderous attacks by his men.
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2014 at 16:38
Actually toyo...., these infections were bound to occur with or with out Colombo! So it is a specious argument!

I could also offer you the idea that he "Columbo" did not sail West, but East? His statue in the harbor of Barcelona shows him pointing "due East!" Smile!

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  Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jan-2014 at 19:29
Originally posted by opuslola

Actually toyo...., these infections were bound to occur with or with out Colombo! So it is a specious argument!

I could also offer you the idea that he "Columbo" did not sail West, but East? His statue in the harbor of Barcelona shows him pointing "due East!" Smile!

Ron


Oy Vey!!!

Had it not been for the importation of previously unknown diseases, to which the locals had not time to build up immunity, the great South American civilisations may well have lasted for many more centuries. The diseases were unknown in South America, so how do you suggest that they would have "arrived" in South America, if not imported?
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