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    Posted: 02-Feb-2013 at 08:14
During the Irish war of Independence, the British increased the size of the police force in Ireland by recruiting WWI veterans. Attired in black police jackets and khaki army trousers, these auxiliaries gained a reputation for brutality and criminality. Were the Tans as bad as the Irish claim, or were the killings the acts of a small minority?
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Nobody's denying the IRA also committed many atrocities: torturing and murdering prisoners. Guerilla warfare is a dirty war where both sides terrorise civilians into submission
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To the Irish there were two Black and Tans.  There were men who joined the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) as Temporary Constables during the Irish War of Independence (1919-1921) when some Irish wanted Ireland to secede from the UK, and there were the Auxiliary Division, which was a counter-insurgency unit of the RIC made up of former British officers.  The Irish saw both of these groups as the Black and Tans.  In reality, though, only the former were real Black and Tans.

Here's a 1921 photo of a group of the real Black and Tans in Dublin at a time when what is now the Republic of Ireland was still part of the UK (it seceded from the Union the year after).
 
The now Republic of Ireland seceding from the UK in 1922 when, at one point, most Irish were against doing so, was one of the great tragedies of the 20th Century.
 


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Originally posted by Nick1986

During the Irish war of Independence, the British increased the size of the police force in Ireland by recruiting WWI veterans. Attired in black police jackets and khaki army trousers, these auxiliaries gained a reputation for brutality and criminality. Were the Tans as bad as the Irish claim, or were the killings the acts of a small minority?


In my view, the Black and Tans were a group of Protestant ex-servicemen, whose sole aim was to put down the Catholics. No doubt there were good men among them, but as a group, they were ruthless. They were eventually replaced by Protestant part time Police, called the "B Specials". The Black and Tans were an official part of the British Law and Order response. The IRA were not an organisation recognised by either the Irish Free State (Eire) or the Six Counties (Ulster).
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