Notice: This is the official website of the All Empires History Community (Reg. 10 Feb 2002)

  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Why were the Sikh loyal during the 1857 Mutiny?

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Salah ad-Din View Drop Down
Samurai
Samurai


Joined: 15-Apr-2011
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 138
  Quote Salah ad-Din Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Why were the Sikh loyal during the 1857 Mutiny?
    Posted: 20-Oct-2012 at 23:44
The East India Company's twin wars of conquest against the Sikhs were still raw memories when the Bengal sepoy mutiny of 1857 broke out. Many regiments of Sikhs, both infantry and cavalry, regulars and irregulars, were serving in the British forces on the sub-continent. Not only did all of these units remain loyal during the Mutiny, they fought with particularly distinguished courage on behalf of the British.

Why didn't the Sikhs leap on what could have been a perfect chance to reassert their independence? I've read that soldierly respect for British soldiers, and contempt for the fighting skills of the mutinous sepoys - as well as religious factors - are what kept the Sikh units loyal.
Back to Top
Toltec View Drop Down
Arch Duke
Arch Duke
Avatar
Shape Shifter

Joined: 12-May-2011
Location: Hyperborea
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1748
  Quote Toltec Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Oct-2012 at 06:41
Several reasons, first and most notably the Sikhs weren't actually invited by the leaders of the rebellion.

Also modern Indian Nationalism has rather distorted what was a local religious rising into a national revolution for freedom. In reality it was local, and just as today when Indians riot and head for the local opposing religious group it was the same back then. The main target of the revolutionaries was not the British civil service but Indian Christian converts and British missionaries. 

The rebellion was also restricted largely to UP and the only participants were the Poorbia sepoys of the Bengal Army. So also it's unfair to single the Sikhs out, the Hindus and Muslims in the rest of the country didn't join in.

Other factors include poor treatment of Sikhs by Hindus during the occupation after the Sikh wars. Pragmatics by the Sikh leadership who felt if the British would win, after all if they could defeat the mighty Khalsa twice then these mere Indians have no chance. Finally modern India may regard the leaders of the revolt as saintly national heroes, but at the time the Sikhs and many others saw them a bunch of treacherous carpetbaggers. 


Edited by Toltec - 21-Oct-2012 at 06:43
Stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?

History Planet Website
<br /
Back to Top
Nick1986 View Drop Down
Emperor
Emperor
Avatar
Mighty Slayer of Trolls

Joined: 22-Mar-2011
Location: England
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 7940
  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Oct-2012 at 08:47
The Gurkhas, too, fought with distinction on behalf of the British. These groups had the least to gain if the Hindus regained power and further expanded the caste system
Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains!
Back to Top
lirelou View Drop Down
Colonel
Colonel


Joined: 26-Mar-2009
Location: Tampa, FL
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 528
  Quote lirelou Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Oct-2012 at 17:29
Amen to Toltec! Good points.
Phong trần mài một lưỡi gươm, Những loài giá áo túi cơm sá gì
Back to Top
Nick1986 View Drop Down
Emperor
Emperor
Avatar
Mighty Slayer of Trolls

Joined: 22-Mar-2011
Location: England
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 7940
  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Oct-2012 at 11:25

Long after the 1857 mutiny, Sikhs were organised into their own regiments. This is still the case in the modern Indian army
Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains!
Back to Top
lirelou View Drop Down
Colonel
Colonel


Joined: 26-Mar-2009
Location: Tampa, FL
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 528
  Quote lirelou Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Oct-2012 at 11:43
Actually Nick, long before the British Raj the Sikhs and other subcontinental peoples were organized into military formations that became the basis of those East India Company Armies and later British Army of India regiments. That was the genius of British colonialism in India. The modern Indian Army dates from 1947, but they retain the British and earlier military traditions within the regiments. There was an Indian Army web site on the net, but I no longer have the link. There was also a site devoted exclusively to British regiments from all nations. 
Phong trần mài một lưỡi gươm, Những loài giá áo túi cơm sá gì
Back to Top
balochii View Drop Down
Colonel
Colonel


Joined: 23-May-2009
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 699
  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Oct-2012 at 22:10
Their hatred muslims made them side with the brits, they were at constant war with muslims before brits came.
Back to Top
Toltec View Drop Down
Arch Duke
Arch Duke
Avatar
Shape Shifter

Joined: 12-May-2011
Location: Hyperborea
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1748
  Quote Toltec Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Oct-2012 at 06:04
They were at constant war with the Afghans not muslims, they got on well with muslims within their own territory, even the royal guard was muslim, because the king didn't trust sikhs enough.
Stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?

History Planet Website
<br /
Back to Top
Nick1986 View Drop Down
Emperor
Emperor
Avatar
Mighty Slayer of Trolls

Joined: 22-Mar-2011
Location: England
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 7940
  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2012 at 09:34
There was a case of a Sikh guru who refused to be released from prison unless the Muslim princes were also freed. His captors made a deal: they would release all the men who could hold onto his coat. In response, the guru had a special long coat made so everyone could grab the end
Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains!
Back to Top
lirelou View Drop Down
Colonel
Colonel


Joined: 26-Mar-2009
Location: Tampa, FL
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 528
  Quote lirelou Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2012 at 10:03
Nick, when you post something like the above post, it would help if you provided a name, date, and place so that anyone reading your post could look it up themselves. In short, this would give your post a far more authoritive voice and provide key words which they could use in search engines.  
Phong trần mài một lưỡi gươm, Những loài giá áo túi cơm sá gì
Back to Top
Nick1986 View Drop Down
Emperor
Emperor
Avatar
Mighty Slayer of Trolls

Joined: 22-Mar-2011
Location: England
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 7940
  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Oct-2012 at 07:19
Lirelou, the Guru was Gar Govind Singh. His ingenious rescue of his fellow-prisoners on Diwali in 1619 continues to be celebrated by modern-day Sikhs
http://sikhism.about.com/od/commemorativecelebrations/a/Bandi_Chhor.htm
Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains!
Back to Top
Venkytalks View Drop Down
Knight
Knight
Avatar

Joined: 15-Jan-2013
Location: India
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 82
  Quote Venkytalks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jan-2013 at 14:12
Originally posted by Toltec

Several reasons, first and most notably the Sikhs weren't actually invited by the leaders of the rebellion.

Also modern Indian Nationalism has rather distorted what was a local religious rising into a national revolution for freedom. In reality it was local, and just as today when Indians riot and head for the local opposing religious group it was the same back then. The main target of the revolutionaries was not the British civil service but Indian Christian converts and British missionaries. 

The rebellion was also restricted largely to UP and the only participants were the Poorbia sepoys of the Bengal Army. So also it's unfair to single the Sikhs out, the Hindus and Muslims in the rest of the country didn't join in.

Other factors include poor treatment of Sikhs by Hindus during the occupation after the Sikh wars. Pragmatics by the Sikh leadership who felt if the British would win, after all if they could defeat the mighty Khalsa twice then these mere Indians have no chance. Finally modern India may regard the leaders of the revolt as saintly national heroes, but at the time the Sikhs and many others saw them a bunch of treacherous carpetbaggers. 

Agree with this.

After the mutiny, the British rewarded those who stayed loyal - by recruiting them. 

Hence the so called martial tradition of the Sikhs and Gurkhas - although they are no more or less martial than other Hindu and Muslim communities, they were preferred inductees into the British Indian Army. And in the later Afghan war, their local presence in the Punjab region meant that they served more in the Afghan wars.
Venky
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.56a [Free Express Edition]
Copyright ©2001-2009 Web Wiz

This page was generated in 0.047 seconds.