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    Posted: 13-Mar-2013 at 23:09
Actually what objectively can be said is he and, his principal spokesman, the now retired Pope, did not support the then prevalent Liberation Theology wing of the RCC in S. and C. America. He viewed it , and perhaps properly so, as Marxism hiding within the church, which led directly to the adoption of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
 
Consequently the original intention of identifying and recognising the social and governmental system inequality and social justice reforms id' as a necessity for the poor; by it's founding various father's and exponents, while remaining popular, yet remains at odds with the established orthodoxy of the Church's position. And given his anti-Marxist and fascist rejection background...not unsurprising.
 
Conversely it is now the intellectual, liberal socialist or socialist secularist, who wishes to either arbitrarily disdain the church's official position in developing doctrine and or who now would castigate the same.
 
That also is not surprising.
 
 


Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 13-Mar-2013 at 23:14
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Pope Francis sounds like a real jerk. Not only does he claim the Falklands belong to Argentina (in violation of the islanders' right to self-determination), but he's shockingly sympathetic to pedophiles. Harming a child is unforgivable, regardless of what happened in the abuser's past (there are many abuse survivors who live normal lives as good parents):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294292/Paedophilia-illness-NOT-crime-says-cardinal-just-days-papal-conclave.html
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Posts: 7392 		  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2013 at 23:41
Originally posted by Nick1986

Pope Francis sounds like a real jerk. Not only does he claim the Falklands belong to Argentina (in violation of the islanders' right to self-determination), but he's shockingly sympathetic to pedophiles. Harming a child is unforgivable, regardless of what happened in the abuser's past (there are many abuse survivors who live normal lives as good parents):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294292/Paedophilia-illness-NOT-crime-says-cardinal-just-days-papal-conclave.html
 
 

A South African cardinal who helped elect Pope Francis has described paedophilia as a psychological illness and not 'a criminal condition'.

The Catholic Archbishop of Durban, Wilfrid Fox Napier, told BBC Radio 5 live that people who were abused as children and became paedophiles were not criminally responsible for their actions in the same way as somebody 'who chooses to do something like that'.

Cardinal Napier, who was among the 115 cardinals in the conclave at the Vatican that elected Pope Francis earlier this week, called paedophilia a 'psychological disorder.



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I read your source three times. No one is ascribing those remarks to the new Pope.
 
The Head line confirms this:
 
 
 
My question is... why then..... the unsubstantiated slur on the new Pope?
The associated reference to the Pope is that this Cardinal apparently supported his election as he apparently supported his predecessor. Benedict clearly did have unresolved issues in dealing with pedophilic priests.
 
 
On what basis then is the nexus of an alleged sympathetic apologia on Francis's part?
 
I don't see it.
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My mistake, though I still don't like the man.
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Posts: 7392 		  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Mar-2013 at 23:49
A noble heart.
 
Often...I'm guilty of a misinterpretation. Often.
 
On Behalf of of my regiment..who cares a  shirt less of your particular theological peccadilloes any more then mine...wee promote you  Corporal. US Cavalry. 
 
 
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Posts: 4620 		  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Dec-2013 at 22:52
Since most of the Popes listed are fake, there still exists numerous rouges that could be called the "Worst", but that is merely an example of "Ultimate Power Corrupts!"

Thus I nominate Pope Leo X as the most "Despicable Me!"

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Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising

Pope Julius II had been a great rival to Alexander IV, Borgia, and really hated him with a vengeance. So much so that when becoming Pope after the death of Alexander IV, had Alexander's servants tortured to have them tell him what he wanted to hear. The majority of what is know of the Borgias misbehaviour is down to what Julius has spread, that and those things from other enemies of the Borgias. This is not to say they were saints, but it could be a good indication that maybe they weren't that much different than other people taking the office at that time. 

You are right about Julius II, he had real old attitude problem with the Borgias  


: "I will not live in the same rooms as the Borgias lived. He [Alexander VI] desecrated the Holy Church as none before. He usurped the papal power by the devil's aid, and I forbid under the pain of excommunication anyone to speak or think of Borgia again. His name and memory must be forgotten. It must be crossed out of every document and memorial. His reign must be obliterated. All paintings made of the Borgias or for them must be covered over with black crepe. All the tombs of the Borgias must be opened and their bodies sent back to where they belong - to Spain."
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Borgia knew how to have fun. Joking on the side, I don't think he was such a bad pope and a lot of things, that were written about him after his death are probably a bit of exegerated. 
As for the worst pope? None of them were particulary good. 
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I shall say Pope Alexander VI. He was the Pontiff from 1492 to 1503.       
When low on finances, Alexander established new cardinals in return for payments. Sometimes he falsely charged wealthy people and then stole their money.
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