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    Posted: 03-Apr-2011 at 16:27
A really interesting website for the pre-clovis buffs on this forum. I know there's at least one other.
 
An interesting documentary showing Clovis culture in America stretching back to 17,000 years ago. Before anyone had crossed from Siberia.
 
1. Clovis a Primer explains what Clovis is.
 
2. Clovis First puts an alternate theory for older people
 
3. Were the first Americans European? Shows 17,000 evidence
 
 
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Yep that's a good source line....I'm no expert on it but material presented seemed well developed. I live on the area of the culture.
 
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I think I'm the other one Pyth was thinking of.Big smile
 
I belong to that small group that considers Clovis in this manner.  The culture, ie the people, is the Llano Culture.  The technology is called Clovis.  The reasoning being I don't believe the actual Llano people made it to the East Coast.  However, their technology certainly did.  However, I also believe that the tech. [their specific type of projectile points and general knapping techniques.] was homegrown so to speak.  I don't think the Asian migration had anything to do with it.  Research done in Asia hasn't shown any connection to Clovis.  The timelines begin to make more sense also.
 
 
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It seems that the politics supporting the land-bridge are starting to crack, finally. There have been several recent releases about finds much older than previously admitted.
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It very possible the Clovis technique was homegrown, almost identical techniques sprung up around the world, Western Europe, Eurasia, Africa, Australia and so on, all unconnected and in diffent time periods. It certainly wasn't beyond another people to independently develop it too.
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Originally posted by unclefred

It seems that the politics supporting the land-bridge are starting to crack, finally. There have been several recent releases about finds much older than previously admitted.


Maybe it isn't the land bridge, its man just came over a lot earlier than thought?
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when earth dry land was not as it looks now!
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Originally posted by Pytheus

3. Were the first Americans European? Shows 17,000 evidence
 
 
Though I think the Solutrian theory is going to become established fact, I wish that orgainizations would not use titles like this. Needless to say, these times were way before the concept of "Europe" or "Europeans" and their modern day associated physical appereances.
 
The term "european" gives the automatic impression of blond haired, light eyed people.  Given the events of the last 400 years, I can see why some people see titles such as "Were the first Americans European?" as another attempt by whites to say that "Wow, white guys were first in this too".
 
Of course, some or all of the solutrians may have been "white" and no amount of pc is going to change that.  But....since this cannot be known, titles should not give the impression that they were.
 


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^ I agree, it's language like that which supports the current politics.
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Originally posted by tjadams

Originally posted by unclefred

It seems that the politics supporting the land-bridge are starting to crack, finally. There have been several recent releases about finds much older than previously admitted.


Maybe it isn't the land bridge, its man just came over a lot earlier than thought?
I think they did, but opponents say that they couldn't have come earlier because the land-bridge wasn't available. They're forgetting about the boat option.
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