His Story - war and peace

I am writing out of frustration!   The Teaching Company is having another 70% sale, so I have been combing through their course offerings.  Again and again, explanations of all that is good, and western culture, begin with a recount of how much western civilization owes the Jews.  Since I have learned of Zoroastrianism, I think we seriously need to adjust our explanations of civilization and goodness.   Zoroastrianism's recorded tradition of equality, moral aspirations and forgiveness predates the Jewish accounts, who sure as blazes were not into equality, but give us a cock-a-mimie story about God's chosen people, and how this God encourages them to kill others and take their land, and than how God's chosen people were persecuted because of their love of God.   

What might happen to our perceptions of reality, if we acknowledged the Persians and native Americans, and others, for what is great about the US, instead of repeating stories that distort our opinion of ourselves and others?    What if we stop creating a false belief in God's chosen people?  Seriously folks, is not this the worst mythology of humanity, leading us to all kinds of trouble? 

Thanks to forums like these, I have communicated with people from around the world, and discovered they are intelligent and civilized people.  Some of them having a better understanding of democracy and good manners than the majority of people in the US.  We need to change His Story so it does not give us such a distorted view of others and ourselves.   Than we can work on rule by reason and perhaps bring the world to peace.   This is what those who love democracy should be doing, because democracy is rule by reason, not rule by superstitious notions that justify the exploitation of "those people" and their resources, by God's chosen people.  


Edited by Athena - 26-Mar-2011 at 11:57

Where do God's chosen people fill everlasting energy?Frustrations and complexes,caused by social unnatural
stereotypes and common fetish goals in human life!?!

Yes Sir,i am going back to gymnasium to exercise my rhetorical skills for better answer!

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis They do not....and the use in this case.... of the phrase 'god's chosen people' remains moot as I indicated above. As obviously not everyone believes that. All ethnic groups have had controversial elements that might be found in their creation and historical, sociological developement that then might have been rejected by non-members. Nothing new about that.     Note what I said: All ethnic groups. And this would include their theological or lack thereof belief systems. Consequently to compare and contrast from a 'historical and contextual perspective' is encouraged and welcomed by any and all. And if members here do not understand what I mean by the above then they should afford themselves of the oppurtunity to learn what it means. Google historical method...and that should suffice.     As a retired Army officer and also professional military historian I learned it early on.   What will not be acceptable ...certainly by me..... is blanket statements or attempts at revisonist ideaologies, not studied in that historical context. Which in all reality, imo, are nothing more then covert attempts or become defacto attempts of bigotries...bias...or proselytization of alternative ideaologies-theologies etc....without and effort to do the comparision and analysis of the theory....and study of the record in what ever form the record takes.   IOW 'sloppy work' or feigned sloppy work won't cut it.   And rascism and bigotry damn sure won't work...overt or covert. Period.   Thanks

Really, the mythology of Judaism and explaining the superiority of the west begins with Israel, is not important to what is happening today?   Our failure to be informed of Sumer's Garden of Eden, and how Zoroastrianism impacted, Cyrus, and the creation of the Persian empire is not important to our own national mythology of superiority and reaction to the mid east?   You might have a less biased knowledge of history, but main stream society does not.  

Let's see, Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the God of Abraham, and all teach the Jews were God's chosen people, because they have to, to give this God and themselves legitimacy.  They hold that this God acts on his pleasure or displeasure with humans.  The belief in such a God has been behind many wars, including the cold war between U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R..  And this subject is not worthy of discussion why?   Because you understand this bias is ignorant?   I really do not agree that people believing "God has chosen people" is moot!   The Christian right who elected and re elected Bush Jr.  sure were not thinking the invasion of Iraq was about the New Century America Project, planned long before 9/11 with the intent of the US having military domination of the mid east, because oil is vital to all industrial economies.   Please, do not tell me that people's religious beliefs are moot, because I see things very differently, and so does everyone concerned about what will happen in the mid east, now that the long established rulers have lost power.    

I will gladly give you "the comparision and analysis of the theory" of democracy verses theology if you want it, and I would appreciate a reply to everything I said in the thread about autocracy as well.   Frustratingly for me, there does not seem to be much interest is discussing democracy verses autocracy or education.  
 



Edited by Athena - 27-Mar-2011 at 10:22

History is never ending repeating cycle and pause time have to be used for laugh and joke.My name makes me to behave this way.Regards.

Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis Athena-   What you write and opine is immaterial to me personally as a member; as a moderator what you write and opine will be judged against the COC...just like anyone else. Present your theories and datum...defend your positions and continue to do it in accordance with forum guidelines-rules...all will be well...   don't.... and it will not be well. It's that simple. Because at this point your focus is beginning to appear as a diatribe against any non form of zoroastrianism as a spiritual belief mechanism and there are some here who might find it offensive. As I noted earlier discuss this historically and contextually in a professional manner....and that potential is then reduced if not eliminated.   So remember.... my personal advice? respect...acknowledge and disagree as you will.....respect and acknowledge ntl.   Thanks

You are a late comer to this discussion.  It is the members of this forum who corrected me, when I was writing about Persia being a despot and oppressing people, and Alexander the Great liberating them.   Because of them, I learned this His Story is biased, and in researching my embarrassing error, I learned what Zoroastrianism has to do with our morality and liberty, and the Roman "liberty cap".  I learned the Greeks and Romans adopted the best parts of Persian government, and that Cyrus was a great leader who could win the peace.   Are you arguing that our popular account of history is not biased, and that correcting this bias would not effect our attitude towards the people of mid east?   Thanks to meeting these people on line, and getting their side of the Story, my understanding of history is changed.  This was at first an embarrassing experience as I came across people of the mid east who are more literate and can write of democracy much more eloquently than I can.   This is not how people of the mid east have been presented to us. 

Next possible area of disagreement.  Are you arguing that religious people do not hold the idea of a God who has favorites, and who either punishes and rewards people, depending on if He is pleased or  displeased?  How would you like me to validate that point. Would quotes from the bible help?  Should I link to religious sites to validate what religious people believe is true?    

 Giving credit to Israel for our morality and liberty, while omitting any mention of Persia and Zoroastrianism is a bias.  Should I link to the on line sites that mention Zoroastrian may have influenced Judaism and Christianity, meaning its ideas of morality and liberty predate the other  religions.  Like I am having trouble understanding your complaint, and exactly what corrections you think I should make.   This thread is about who to credit for what, and what we need to do to avoid bias, not who has "God's truth".   As I understand democracy, we can not know God, but can only study nature and infer something about God.  Science is to democracy what religion is to autocracy.  Zoroastrianism is important because of its teachings of morality and liberty, both are important to democracy.  I am not saying Zoroastrianism defines God better than other religions.    Unfortunately, Zoroastrianism was over run by superstition, and this superstition became a part of Christianity, separating good and evil, as the Hebrews did not do. 

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Why do you argue people?Without pro and contra we have no"Lupus in fabula" development.If i think that something is true 100%, will not ask and post here!Or will post it without comments!Mono drama .