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    Posted: 17-May-2005 at 15:08

Yes we were complete Nazi's. We handed over every Jew we could find...Oh wait

http://www.aacl.com/index11.html

While it is true that he had Albanian Kosovars fighting for him this does not prove that Albania itself had in mind to become "Greater Albania"

Check the numbers on the SS Skanderbeg. 60% deserted after the 3 months periods. Many left right after they were handed their weapons. It had to be dropped because of it.

And Phallanx, your basing the whole "Greater Albania" deal on a few likely crooked Kosovo leaders? Then I might start taking the whole Megalo idea seriously also as quite a few nationalists seem to be for it.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-May-2005 at 19:44
Please, we may seem at times but we aren't that stupid!!!!

The internet is a valuable source of knowledge, I suggest you use it correctly.
Exactly how many jews were in Albania priop to ww2?
Man if you guys don't know your history and exactly what the "Skanderbeg division" was all about, that isn't our fault but Hoxza's and your negligence of the source you're provided with (internet), in short use it to obtain the knowledge they've derived you of.

Interestingly enough this is one of hundreds found on a simple google:

Friday May 2, 1997
Only about 60 Jews were known to be in Albania before the outbreak of violence and armed conflict earlier this year.
http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/s tory_id/6064/edition_id/113/format/html/displaystory.html

Do I really need to post a previous census of the Jewish population???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-May-2005 at 20:12
Cities down to  Vlora had quite a jewish population during WW2(which migrated there like they did in many other places at the time) which dissappeared afterwards(was there any reason for them to stay in a backwards paper country?)  

Well then tell US phallanx. What WAS the SS Skanderbeg all about? We ignorant Albanians really need to know.
Why would it be so suprising that we really didnt like the Nazi's. We were Commies. Anyway I dont know how this turned into an Albanian discussion.  



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-May-2005 at 20:37
Are you people trully Albanian or you just totally IGNORANT of your history???

If you don't know that the SS Skanderbeg was an Albanian "army" formed by H.Himler to literally cleanse Kosovo then what do you know and why on earth did you mention them????

Proof is out there as long as you want to obtain knowledge.
Why would German, Italian, (Hellinic an Serb I could understand "NOT" to be non-credible), British...... all mention intentional cleansing of the Kosovo-Albanian area????
Don't give me the Turkish logic of "christian clubs/ everyone against islam" and that kind of crap .
Objective search, DO IT!!! and then ask anything you like.
(by objective I mean NO albanian, NO hellinic, NO serb sources)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-May-2005 at 21:10

What you fail to mention is how the division was broken up because of disertion. It was formed in March 1944 and by Nov it had less then half its original number.

Anyway as I stated before, the topic was originally on Greeks so I don't know what this is doing here.  

On us being Nazi like here is an article written by a non-Albanian: http://kulturserver-hamburg.de/home/illyria/i.php3?p=2004_01 _09_fisher_jews_in_albania&s=e



 



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Inhuman refusal of entry and denaturalization of ethnic Macedonians in Greece.

   

The Greek government continues to denaturalize members of the Macedonian minority in Greece who as economic immigrants reside mainly in transoceanic countries. This occurs during the past decades.

The Greek Authorities selectively implement law 3370, article 20 par. 1G (Greek law for Citizenship), mainly against ethnic Macedonians (economical immigrants) who are active as members of Macedonian associations and express their Macedonian cultural, linguistic and national identity. 

 

The ethnic Macedonians are informed about the Greek's State decision only when they try to enter Greece, temporarily or for repatriation. Denaturalized individuals are at the same time declared as undesirable in Greece (persona non grata) and no entrance in the country is allowed, even for humanitarian reasons.   

 

Recently (07 05 2005) Mr. George Mishalis tried to enter Greece in order to be present at his father funeral in his native village Meliti / Voshtarani in Florina / Lerin. For the last years, Mr. Mishalis has been living and working in Melbourne, Australia.

Greek border police authorities prohibited his entry, according to the above-mentioned decision.

 

Its truly unbelievable that in year 2005 and in a so-called modern European country as Greece, one cannot attend his/her relative's funeral or the burial of his/her father, only because one has publicly expressed an ethnic identity that is not Greek.

EFA- Rainbow was also recently informed about the denaturalization the Also of one more Macedonian.

Mr. Chris Gagatsis was declared "undesirable" in Greece according to the same law (3370 article 20 par. 1G)

Mr. Gagatsis' place of birth is village Alritas / Buf, Florina / Lerin     

    

Over the past decades, Greek Governments have never given any data on the numbers of denaturalized Macedonians. The victims of this policy are simply notified about it upon their arrival to Greek border stations, exactly as it happened in the 2 cases mentined above.

 

This inhuman and racial discrimination against George Misalis and Chris Gagatsis but also against other Macedonian economic immigrants, the refusal of repatriation rights for thousands of Macedonian political refugees that left their birthplaces during the civil war (1946-1949**), the continuous refusal to grant any rights for the Macedonian minority in Greece and the discrimination in terms of ethnic, cultural and linguistic diversity prove for yet another time that there is a deficit of democracy in our country.     

 

According to the Greek State, there is no ethnic Macedonian minority in the country. If this is the case, then we simply wonder who the "target" of these measures is.

 

EFA- Rainbow denounces the continuous racist and inhuman treatment that the Greek government holds in store for the ethnic Macedonian minority in Greece and will inform about the above incidents all the international organizations involved in the protection of Human Rights

EFA-Rainbow also calls all the Greek democrats to support our fight for a truly democratic and European Greece.

 

 

The political Secretariat

 

 

*Code for Greek Citizenship

Low 3370/1955

Chapter G

Article 20

 

Denaturalization

One can lose his/her Greek Citizenship

When-while residing abroad-he/she acted in benefit of another State, in ways that do not comply to the Greek citizen status and against Greece's interests. 

 

** Common Decision of the Ministers of Internal Affairs and Public Order of Greece.

Athens 29.12.1982

Subject: Free repatriation and return of the Greek citizenship to the political refugees.

 

Taking under consideration:

 

The provisions of the Law 400/76 "For Ministerial Council and Ministries" as it was modified by the law N. 1266/1982 and within the framework of the Government's policy for national reconciliation and unanimity,

 

We decide that:

 

All Greeks in gender (nb: underline made by EFA-Rainbow) that during the civil war 1946-49 and because of it fled abroad as political refugees, can return to Greece, even if they had been were deprived of their Greek citizenship.

 

The ministers of

Internal Affairs       & nbsp;    Public Order

 

G. Gennimatas       &nbs p; G. Skoularikis  

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Not even those Rainbow propagandists support this crap

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-May-2005 at 10:55

This is way out of topic and definatelly not under the scope of Anthropology & Linguistics part of the forum.

Thread closed, if anyone is interested, please start a new one in International relations...

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