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Cyrus Shahmiri
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Topic: Ethnic diversity of Iran Posted: 03-Jan-2010 at 14:06 |
Southern Khuzistan
Northern Khuzistan
Golestan
Mazandaran
Isfahan
Ardebil
Kurdistan
Khorasan
Fars
Semnan
Chaharmahal and Bakhtiari
Qom
Tehran
Kerman
Gilan
West Azarbaijan
East Azarbaijan
Hormozgan
Yazd
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Posted: 04-Jan-2010 at 03:01 |
Cyrus Shahmiri, Fars Province was a cradle of ancient persian state and home of ancient indo-european tribes. Can you ilustrate any photograph with Fars nature? Does it snowing during winter there? As I now it`s mountain range.
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Posted: 04-Jan-2010 at 05:20 |
I think some pics from Fars province can answer your questions:
Pasargadae:
Persepolis:
Margun Waterfall:
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Posted: 04-Jan-2010 at 05:31 |
I should also mention that different ethnic groups live in Fars province, some of them have a mixed ethnicity, like Qashqai nomads who speak a Turkic language:
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Posted: 04-Jan-2010 at 12:40 |
Studying these photos confirms my non scientific personal theory about blond hair .
Blond hair was brought to Europe by Iranian Aryans (the historical kind, not the NAZI kind) in pre historic times. In these times, northeren Europe was a very isolated, backwater part of the world. The blond genes became the majority since further intermarriage was rare.
Meanwhile, Iran became a crossroads of world trade and intermarriage with other peoples was common. As a result, blond hair amongst Iranian peoples became less common.
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Posted: 04-Jan-2010 at 13:06 |
Cyrus, what do you think of this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khwarezm (please look at the "Runestone!", citing the assertation that some "Viking" once traveled there, or resided there, etc.!
You may or may not know that the above group were also known as "Charismians?" And, "charisma" has a particular meaning and well could be attached to many Christian Groups.
http://www.archive.org/stream/encyclopaediaofr00cann/encyclopaediaofr00cann_djvu.txt
"The Fifth Crusade was
preached by Iimocent III. in 1215, and the cross was
taken b.v Andrew II. of Hungary (1217) and by the
Emperor Frederick II. (1220). Frederick II. was excom-
municated by Pope Gregory IX. for delaying to take the
field, and in con.sequence could not i>revail uiwn the
Military Orders to fight under him. But he contrived
to obtain the cession of .Jerusalem, Bethlehem, and
Nazareth, and in 1229 crowned himself King of Jeru-
salem. In 12-14. however, the Templars and Hos-
pitallers were defeated by the Charismians. allies of the
Sultan of Egypt, and Jerusalem was sacked."
For more sources see; http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBR_enUS315US315&q=charismians+iran
And, it seems the name/word "Charis" can be found to mean "Grace!"
See; http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Charis
Thus anyone having the aspect of "One with Grace", meaning "Blessing of God", etc., might call themselves as "Charismatics?"
For Christians we might well accept the meaning found here?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charismatic_Movement
But, what about the "Huns?"
Can you connect the English word "charisma" or "Charismians" with "Khwarezm" or "Khwarezmians?", etc.?
Is there any connection to IndoEuropean?, to Sanskrit, etc.?
Regards,
Ron
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Posted: 04-Jan-2010 at 13:42 |
Originally posted by opuslola
Cyrus, what do you think of this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khwarezm (please look at the "Runestone!", citing the assertation that some "Viking" once traveled there, or resided there, etc.!
You may or may not know that the above group were also known as "Charismians?" And, "charisma" has a particular meaning and well could be attached to many Christian Groups.
http://www.archive.org/stream/encyclopaediaofr00cann/encyclopaediaofr00cann_djvu.txt
"The Fifth Crusade was
preached by Iimocent III. in 1215, and the cross was
taken b.v Andrew II. of Hungary (1217) and by the
Emperor Frederick II. (1220). Frederick II. was excom-
municated by Pope Gregory IX. for delaying to take the
field, and in con.sequence could not i>revail uiwn the
Military Orders to fight under him. But he contrived
to obtain the cession of .Jerusalem, Bethlehem, and
Nazareth, and in 1229 crowned himself King of Jeru-
salem. In 12-14. however, the Templars and Hos-
pitallers were defeated by the Charismians. allies of the
Sultan of Egypt, and Jerusalem was sacked."
For more sources see; http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBR_enUS315US315&q=charismians+iran
And, it seems the name/word "Charis" can be found to mean "Grace!"
See; http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Charis
Thus anyone having the aspect of "One with Grace", meaning "Blessing of God", etc., might call themselves as "Charismatics?"
For Christians we might well accept the meaning found here?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charismatic_Movement
But, what about the "Huns?"
Can you connect the English word "charisma" or "Charismians" with "Khwarezm" or "Khwarezmians?", etc.?
Is there any connection to IndoEuropean?, to Sanskrit, etc.?
Regards,
Ron
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That just depends on how you spell it. People from Khwarezm are called Khwarezmians, or, depending on how you want to spell it, charismians, but the former is the correct spelling. But yes, that reference to Charismians defeating the crusaders is definetly a reference to the Khwarezmians.
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Posted: 04-Jan-2010 at 13:47 |
Dear "the Great", of course it is! I never challegned that factoid! I meant to discover if the English version is directly connected to the "Hunnish" one via meaning!
By the way, just why do you think that the Germans, in two world wars were sometimes refered to as "Huns?"
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I never said you did, i just mentioned that other variation, thats all.
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Posted: 04-Jan-2010 at 13:54 |
OKEY, Dokey!
Thanks,
The Least!
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Posted: 05-Jan-2010 at 01:18 |
Thanx Cyrus Shahmiri! You know many photo`s from Persepolis, but every of them show sunny and arid landscape. I never see snow in Persepolis and Pasargadae! The waterfall is also awesome! Indo-europeans everytime have been look for fertile lands to live. Cold weather and snow during winter is also characteristic for ancient ancestors and have resonance in our culture.
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Posted: 05-Jan-2010 at 04:33 |
Originally posted by Cryptic
Studying these photos confirms my non scientific personal theory about blond hair.
Blond hair was brought to Europe by Iranian Aryans (the historical kind, not the NAZI kind) in pre historic times. In these times, northeren Europe was a very isolated, backwater part of the world. The blond genes became the majority since further intermarriage was rare.
Meanwhile, Iran became a crossroads of world trade and intermarriage with other peoples was common. As a result, blond hair amongst Iranian peoples became less common. |
I'm not sure about Iranian Aryans, but I strongly believe one of aboriginal people of western Iran who lived in the northern Khuzistan, southern Luristan and Chaharmahal and Bakhtiari province, had blonde hair and you can still find a large number of light haired people in this region. I think they were Gutians, look at this thread: Gotvandi (Dezfuli), Guti and Gothic, as I mentioned there, we know the only people who were called Mam-ruti (light-haired) in the Mesopotamian texts were Gutians and we see in some Babylonian inscriptions that they are called blonde-headed people, like this one:
The location of ancient Gutium (land of Gutians):
You can see the same region on this map, different from the nearby regions:
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Posted: 05-Jan-2010 at 11:01 |
Interesting topic- I remember how diverse Turikye was and in its own way so was Greece. I found diversity in ethnicity even in Mexico when I traveled there. Being mostly Northern European and Mediterranean by heritage I could pass for someone in parts of Iran with my slight olive complexion, if I dressed right. In Ireland they thought I was Irish but I am darker than the Irish so I could not figure that one. It is not hard to be darker than the Irish though- Turkiye I was often mistaken for a Turk and in Europe they usually thought I was European till I spoke then they thought I was Canadian, other Americans think I sound Canadian. The diversity of the USA/Canada/Mexico would make a good topic. Pick one or all three!!
I am surprised still at the diversity of Iran and I wish I could travel though but maybe someday when they overthrow those nutty Mullahs. Freedom for Iran!!
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Interesting diversity.
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Posted: 12-Jan-2010 at 07:22 |
One interesting thing about the yellow-haired people of northern Khuzistan is that they have usually darker skin than people who live in northern Iran, some other kids from this region:
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Posted: 12-Jan-2010 at 10:42 |
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Really amazing costume. What is ethnic group of this girl? Lur?
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Posted: 13-Jan-2010 at 11:21 |
I think she is either a Lur or a Bakhtiari, of course she can be also an Arab, there are some Arab tribes in the north of Khuzistan too.
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Posted: 26-Apr-2010 at 05:09 |
Interesting thread.
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