Why does Turkey not recognize the 1915 ge

Do not blame the other people who hate you. There are many reasons why they do.

Turkey always occupied other people's land. Even now it still occupies land formerly belonging to Armenians, Greeks, and Persians. How do you expect these people to like you?

Let's turn things around. Let's say that....your country, turkey, is taken over by some other power with a different religion than yours. Imagine that you were forced to adopt the new power's religion, if not you were beheaded. Imagine that the invaders could at anytime walk into your home, rape your wives and sisters, take your possessions, and take your children to be sold as slaves. The only life for you would be to work from dawn to dusk for the local ruler who took your land. If you show any resistance throughout all this, you would be impaled alive. And this is your people's fate for 500 years.

Tell me now, will you not hate these people??

Originally posted by Nomad Do not blame the other people who hate you. There are many reasons why they do. Turkey always occupied other people's land. Even now it still occupies land formerly belonging to Armenians, Greeks, and Persians. How do you expect these people to like you? ??

Well Bulgars were a Turkic tribe too.   Just read history.

Anatolia is not the land of Greeks, Armenians or Persians. They only ruled this lands for a period of time. As being Turk today we also have the heritage of Trojans and many others who has been attacked by Greek outsiders coming other side of the Agean Sea to invade.

Moreover Turks are not the only conquerors of the world and you cannot judge them by today's values.  

Originally posted by Nomad Let's turn things around. Let's say that....your country, turkey, is taken over by some other power with a different religion than yours. Imagine that you were forced to adopt the new power's religion, if not you were beheaded.

Do you claim that Turks did all of these during 500 years, half of a millenium? And you still preserve your religion? Use your mind please. 

Originally posted by Nomad Imagine that the invaders could at anytime walk into your home, rape your wives and sisters, take your possessions, and take your children to be sold as slaves.

Exaggerated things. Where did you read all of these craps? I hope not in your school books.

Originally posted by Nomad The only life for you would be to work from dawn to dusk for the local ruler who took your land. If you show any resistance throughout all this, you would be impaled alive. And this is your people's fate for 500 years. Tell me now, will you not hate these people

Where did you read this?

Originally posted by Stratagos From Armenian genocide, I see that the turks turn it around to a Kurdish genocide, caused by armenians! like the turks even CARE about the present day kurds in their country! ??

First of all those areas that we are talking about are mostly populated by Turks now and at the past even after Armenian killings.

Armenians killed Kurds too but real massacre has been conducted on Turks since they are the majority in the area.

Some people think that how Armenians could kill such large Turkish community. The answer is very simple Ottoman army was fighting against Russians on east, against British and French armies on the west in Gallipoli and against British army on south at the same time. Turkish men were in service to defend their country on the other hand Armenian men were in service of enemies to form a Greater Armenia. They could easily attacked and killed Muslim in poorly defended villages, towns.

The important thing here is do we try to show Armenians as monsters? Or are Armenians really a monster? What was the Russian contribution to the issues?

Turks and Russians were fighting with each other during hundred years. In any of the wars we did not get such a large scale civilian massacres done by Russians. There may be some mutual crimes during history but those were locals. In those case Russians could not control Armenian irregulars so we cannot blame Russians. Moreover it is very normal that they will support that kind of revolts but I think they could not guess that Armenians will make a massacre in such scale.

Armenians were not monsters too. Their biggest danger is that they were irregulars and they did not get a military discipline and warrior ethic. As I posted before from an Armenian link the Hunchak Party has declared that they will use terror and agitation to elevate the sprit of Armenian people. They have declared this in 1887. They said that the best time for revolt is when Turkey is engaged into war. They were also calculating that Turkish men will serve in the army and they will easily form militias and act.

This is vulgar!!   

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Originally posted by Nomad Tell me now, will you not hate these people??

Do you know what happened to the Balkan Turks during the balkan wars?

do you know their exile? i doubt if you were eucated any  about the Bulgarian atrocities in the balkan wars.bacuse it was much more cruel than th greek and serb atrocities.

over 1.5million  Turks were killed ,400.000 had to flee..

There are European scholars who assert that what happened to the Balkan Turks was the first genocide of the 20.century.

Dont talk to me about hatred stuff...if you are really into it,believe me we have much more stuff to hate you.And we dont have to go 1 century back..my life has seen The Jivkov period in Bulgaria

in the past and still today  the stronger has ruled the roost.You can not judge the past with current norms.

Originally posted by TheDiplomat over 1.5million  Turks were killed ,400.000 had to flee.. There are European scholars who assert that what happened to the Balkan Turks was the first genocide of the 20.century. [...] You can not judge the past with current norms.

If you're consequent you should not be angry about the things done to the Turks in the early 20th century. According to you you can't judge it with current norms

Originally posted by Nomad Do not blame the other people who hate you. There are many reasons why they do. Turkey always occupied other people's land. Even now it still occupies land formerly belonging to Armenians, Greeks, and Persians. How do you expect these people to like you? Let's turn things around. Let's say that....your country, turkey, is taken over by some other power with a different religion than yours. Imagine that you were forced to adopt the new power's religion, if not you were beheaded. Imagine that the invaders could at anytime walk into your home, rape your wives and sisters, take your possessions, and take your children to be sold as slaves. The only life for you would be to work from dawn to dusk for the local ruler who took your land. If you show any resistance throughout all this, you would be impaled alive. And this is your people's fate for 500 years. Tell me now, will you not hate these people??

Turkey didnt occupy others land. In fact, Anatolia belonged to noone. History shows us that Anatolia was always used as a civilization bridge, and colonisation area. Hitites immigrated to Anatolia, Persians invaded Anatolia, and Greeks became to rule some parts of western Anatolia by conquering Trojans or settling with migrations. So most of Anatolia didnt originally belonged to anyone. In fact, nowhere originally belongs to anyone, since all people immigrated to their current national borders.

And about Urartu and Sumerian civilizations. The Urartu language was Asiatic, not indo European or Semitic, and the origins of Sumerian language arent IE or Semitic too.

If you are so hard on this migration and conquest issues, why do you keep on living in western Black Sea lands? You should go back to your ancestor's homeland, in Central Asia, since you are Turkic originated too...

Also, Turkey didnt conquer the foreign lands, Ottoman Empire did, and that was very natural at those times norms, since every strong civilization conquered other lands. Thank Ottoman dynasty for not erasing Bulgarian DNA from Earth, because believe me, they had the power.

Noone was adopted to Islam. Why do you think your family is still Orthodox? The Bosnians choose to be Muslims, because of the Serbian pressure on them before Ottoman rule.

Your hatred is deep inside and nonesense. If you hate a specific nation, you shouldnt try to create artificial lies to support your hatred. And believe me, Turks have more reasons to hate you, but this isnt our culture mess with such people...

Originally posted by strategos From Armenian genocide, I see that the turks turn it around to a Kurdish genocide, caused by armenians! like the turks even CARE about the present day kurds in their country!

Why should we care?They are equal to he other citizens....

A-haaa.

so  no longer you will  be discussing with yourself here

Originally posted by TheDiplomat A-haaa. so  no longer you will  be discussing with yourself here

Bravo!

he insulted us.Who is provoking who?