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Topic: Excellent Map of the Hun Dominions Posted: 21-Sep-2008 at 03:55 |
Originally posted by Carpathian Wolf
It wasn't really a domain, more like "places where attila killed stuff, places where attila has not killed stuff, places where attilla will kill stuff etc" until the Romans with the Goths beat his ass like a cheap cross dressing piniata at a texan KKK meeting. |
Yes that does seem logical, but it is said that the Hunnish Empire under Attila, also had settlements that stretched from the borders of the Eastern Roman Empire, to the full length of the black sea. Settlements meaning "villages" and or "towns". But who really knows how large his empire might have been.
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The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations.
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Posted: 21-Sep-2008 at 18:22 |
In the 40's the huns fought in persia and in Europe. So the minimum was from Pannonia to the Kaukasus. They got the gothic lands in the russian steppe, probably up to the forest region. Hunnic ...(hmm, how you call "Opferkessel" in English?) were found even in north Poland.
And the huns got the largest "European Union" :--)))north from the roman empire until the post middle-ages.
Edited by Tar Szernd - 21-Sep-2008 at 18:23
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Posted: 21-Sep-2008 at 19:09 |
Originally posted by Penelope
Originally posted by Carpathian Wolf
It wasn't really a domain, more like "places where attila killed stuff, places where attila has not killed stuff, places where attilla will kill stuff etc" until the Romans with the Goths beat his ass like a cheap cross dressing piniata at a texan KKK meeting. |
Yes that does seem logical, but it is said that the Hunnish Empire under Attila, also had settlements that stretched from the borders of the Eastern Roman Empire, to the full length of the black sea. Settlements meaning "villages" and or "towns". But who really knows how large his empire might have been. |
The Huns were a loosely allied federation of smaller "barbaric" groups who didn't like larger groups (such as the Persians and Romans) in common. I don't view Attila's domain in any way an Empire simply because he didn't really organize it as such. The villages he "ruled" where parts where he had kicked out former rulership if any had been there in place and the populace was indifferent one way or another.
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Posted: 21-Sep-2008 at 19:34 |
Attila didn't create a state, so whether it can be called an empire or not depends on your definition. He had a core area where he held actual power and with his military successes he forced many of the surrounding regions into a tributary relationship with him. This is the nature of Attila's "empire", which means you need quite a broad definition of empire if you mean to include political bodies as different as the Roman Empire and Attila's comparatively loose area of influence.
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Posted: 21-Sep-2008 at 20:13 |
Originally posted by Tar Szer�nd
(hmm, how you call "Opferkessel" in English?) |
mmmh, i think "sacrificial vessel"
And the huns got the largest "European Union" :--)))north from the roman empire until the post middle-ages.
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i agree
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Posted: 25-Sep-2008 at 06:34 |
The Turkic "peoples" are probably similar to the European "peoples" in that there's many thin layers of cultures and languages laid on top of an aboriginal population. Something like 95% of European genes date back to the Paleolithic. The Turks swept into areas inhabited by Indo-European speaking people and imposed their culture and language on them. After a while, you can't tell the conquered from the conquerors.
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Posted: 25-Sep-2008 at 06:37 |
Also, I agree with Reginmund. The Hunnic "Empire" was at best a collection of states or regions led by a local warlord, and many of which only lasted one or two lifetimes.
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Posted: 02-Jan-2009 at 19:01 |
Here is a map of the Hunnic Empire in 450 AD, shortly before Attila's death. I made the map based on the sources listed < here>. This map, it's parent map ( East Hemisphere in 450 AD), and others are available at www.WorldHistoryMaps.info . (Click on the map for the full-sized version) Respectfully,
Thomas Lessman Web: www.ThomasLessman.com Talessman's Atlas of World History: www.WorldHistoryMaps.info
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Posted: 03-Jan-2009 at 20:15 |
that's the best map of the Hun Empire i've seen so far. the Rugi should be a bit further west though, on the territory of modern Bavaria.
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