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    Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 22:17
I call them Native elders, I still have one. 
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Perhaps people interested should start by learning the language of the tribe or nation they want to know better. I believe if a person makes the huge effort to learn a language is because they are really interested in the culture.

Don't you think?
 
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I agree. I know Ojibwa and Mohawk dialects. 
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Originally posted by The Canadian Guy

I call them Native elders, I still have one. 
 
No doubt authentic ones do exist.   I am confident ahtt you have one.
 
There are evidently false, psuedo New Age ones as well.  Here are some links illustrating the points made in my previous post that many peole (including well meaning ones) have confused New Age spirituality with Native American beliefs.
 
 
Originally posted by pinguin

Perhaps people interested should start by learning the language of the tribe or nation they want to know better. 
 
I agree completely.  Especially in regards to the endangered Native American languages (there are many in the USA).  Student of these languages do humanity a huge favor.


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Cryptic these sites make me sick. They're very embarrassing. It is not your fault to put these up. I never knew about the subject. And for your second reply, I agrees with your there too.  

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It is easy to unmask New Age loonies. They love the words: vibrations, christals, Gaia and holistic. If anywhere in a speech you pick those words, be certain the loony is a New Age follower LOL.
 
I am not Native American, however as any people in my country, I do have some native ancestors. However, loving my land as I do, I have a great interest in learning about the Native American culture, of my own country, of course. I have tried hard to learn something of the language, traditions, religion and arts, not to be accepted in a tribe, but to teach my kids to respect the land and the peoples were they were born. I love Mapuche poetry and songs, because of the rythm and sounding, for instance, and I try to understand what they mean.
 
Somehow knowing some facts make me very happy and connected with the land. Knowing things like the ancient names of the hills downtown my city, from were the ancient Inca trail passed or that that mountain was sacred and this other one had on top an pre-columbian fortress.
 
When I went for holydays last summer to visit a lake called Vichulafken, I was able to descomposse the name in Vicu=serpent and Laftken=lake, and I understood the name meant "lake with the shape of a serpent", which is the actual shape of that lake.
 
I don't know, things like that make me feel happy, and feel that life is a lot longer than our short personl lifes.
 
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Cryptic these sites make me sick. They're very embarrassing. 
Maybe small steps can be taken to combat the fakes.  The fakers themselves are not going to stop anytime soon.  But.... Sponsors might be persuaded not to take action. 
 
For example, a letter from a Tribal Chairman may convince a book store (or even a chain of bookstores) to have seperate sections for "New Age" and Native American items.  Likewise, a letter from a Tribal Chairman may also convince orgainizers of  "metaphysical fairs" not to identify certain presenters in their promotional literature as offering instruction in Native American spirituality , but to instead identify their instruction as "Wiccan" or "New Age".
 
Limiting complaints to only the most blatantly fake material and fake presenters might yield good results.  
 
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OMG!!!! I hate fakes! They must be stopped! Angry
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You can generally tell the New Age nonsense in Australia when they refer to the indigenous religion as the Dreamtime.
There is apparently a book written by a former miss-some-American-State about some supposed tribe in the "outback". In the book she describes how when an elder wishes to die, and they can get as old as 150, they just walk out into the desert and vanish into sand. My Aboriginal Studies supervisor was so unimpressed when he found that a student he respected asked him if the book was true or not. I mean c'mon people.

I also have to have a good laugh when people say "iam not a religious person, but I am very spiritual". If someone does say this to you simply reply by saying, "So, you worship your dead great grandfather then, how very interesting".

The truth behind the "Dreaming" is considerably better than the nonsense the New Age smegheads believe in anyways.
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Ya really, people believe in anything they see and/or hear.
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