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I am making a comparative study about battles fought in America since 1500
Can you help ?
Which ones would you consider the most important ?
Name the battles, the opponents, number of fighters, armaments, casualties, political consequences, etc
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Originally posted by Bandeirante

I am making a comparative study about battles fought in America since 1500
Can you help ?
Which ones would you consider the most important ?
Name the battles, the opponents, number of fighters, armaments, casualties, political consequences, etc
 
In the "history of the Americas" section there are many wars that have happened in the Americas, including the Wars of Independence of Haiti, South America and Mexico, the Mexican-American war, the War of the Pacific and the Chaco War. That may help.
 
 
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Thanks Pinguin
 
Any colonial battle in Chile ? Indian's war usually were minor skirmishes, not a big concentration of fighters. What was the military scale in the Mapuche's wars ? How many soldiers could be engaged there in a battle ? Who were they ? What about the Pacific War ? I think it woul be easy to you to list some of the battles in Chile and the logistics used there. 
 
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Tupinamb's War
 
1503 - 1530 

European ships are frequently found trading in Brazil.  A typical example is the Portuguese Bertoa that spends three months in Brazil in 1511; the vessel is a no and has a complement of 36: five officers, 13 able seamen, 14 apprentices, and four pages.  Many ships return to Europe with Indian slaves in addition to other cargo.  Portuguese and French rivalry gradually turns into undeclared war.  Portugal sends fleets of "coast guards" to destroy French men, ships, and warehouses. 

Initially the locals - the Tamoio, a branch of the Tupinamb - are friendly to the Portuguese at Guanabara bay.  However, after some time the Colonists exploit the Indians so much that eventually the Tamoio kill and eat most leaving the survivors to flee to sea in a boat (all of which must have happended before 1519).  As a result of this the Tamoio acquire a lasting dislike of the Portuguese and turn to the French as allies.  

1555
The Frenchman Nicholas de Villegagnon arrives at Guanabara bay with three ships to found a colony (10 Nov).  The French fortify a small island (Fort Coligny) at the mouth of the bay and call their colony Antarctic France.  Their island fort is entirely protected by cliffs or walls (built by Indian labour), except one small harbour which is protected by gun emplacements.  Although strong, Fort Coligny has one fatal flaw: no fresh water.   The fledgling colony and its Indian neighbours are struck by fevers.  
 
1560
Mem de S sails south to attack the French at Fort Coligny (Feb).  He brings a force of Bahia Tupinamb with him, and similarly the French (under the Lord Bois-le-Comte, the nephew of Villegagnon) are aided by hundreds of their Tamoio allies.  The Portuguese attack from the sea on all sides (15 Mar) and in a two day battle take the island.  The French and Tamoio flee to the mainland.  One of the reasons for the French defeat is  the lack of drinking water.  Each side claims different numbers were involved in the battle.  The French claim 10 Frenchmen fighting 2000 attackers in 26 ships (plus canoes).  The Portuguese claim 116 Frenchmen with 1000+ Tamoio (with fire arms) against 120 Portuguese with 140 Indian allies.  Both sides mention heavy losses amongst the attackers.  The Portuguese destroy the fort and some Indian villages but then abandon Guanabara bay again.

Estcio de S founds a settlement at Rio de Janeiro (1 Mar 1565); he is very young - probably 17 years old.  For two years the Portuguese in their fortified camp face off the Tamoio in their fortified villages.  There are frequent battles by land and sea (in at least one incident the Tamoio take a caravel and eat its crew), but neither side is strong enough to take decisive action

1566
There are some great sea battles between the Portuguese and the Tamoio.  Up to 180 canoes would try to lure the Portuguese into ambushes.  Cristvo Cardos de Barros arrives with three galleons from Bahia (Aug).  He recruits more ships, settlers and Indian auxiliaries, and then sails south with the Governor (Mem de S)  toward Guanabara. 
 
1567
Mem de S joins his nephew (Estcio de S) at Rio de Janeiro (18 Jan).  They take the fortified village of chief Ibiriguau-mirim and after a hard battle (20 Jan); all the defenders are killed including 5 Frenchmen who are hanged.  Estcio de S is hit in the face by an arrow and dies a month later.  

Mem de S follows up this victory with another against the redoubt of Paranapecu (the defender have artillery).  The Portuguese break into the fort after three days and enslave the defenders.  

After these defeats the Tamoio of Guanabara sue for peace.  Some are enslaved.  Those who resist are crushed.  Many flee inland for to the Tamoio at Cabo Frio.  

Mem de S moves the site of Rio de Janeiro; the new settlement as 150 settlers.  The Maracaj Temimino under Arariboia are settled in the most powerful of the Tamoio villages.  The Tamoio of Cabo Frio, aided by four French ships, attack Arariboia's village beyond Rio de Janeiro.   Before dawn the next day Arariboia and his Temimino attack the mass of Tamoio and French outside the village, killing some Frenchmen and many Indians.  A falconet on the Arariboia's ramparts pounds the French ships which because they have grounded with the falling tide can not reply.  The French flee to France once their ships refloat.  

 
1575 

The Tamoio of Cabo Frio raid sugar plantations near Rio de Janeiro.  

Dr Antnio de Salema (the governor of southern Brazil) leads a powerful force of Portuguese (400 men, including all able bodied men from Rio de Janeiro) and Indians (700 - probably Temimino) against Cabo Frio (27 Aug).   Governor Salema besieges the Tamoio village of Chief Japuguau.  The defenders have French weapons including arquebuses and cannon, 500 (southern) Paraba Tamoio allies, and are directed by three Europeans (two French; one English).  On 22 Sep Japuguau surrenders.  The European officers are hanged and the Paraba killed or enslaved, but Japuguau's people are allowed to remain in their village.  

Other Tamoio villages surrender, but many Indians flee.  Governor Salema changes them killing 2000 and enslaving 4000 more.  The Tamoio of Cabo Frio are crushed.  

10.000 Tupinambs were killed in Salema's final expedition in 1575
 
 
The Portuguese used Indians auxiliaries and established military alliances with the Tupiniquins to defeat the Tupinambs and French in this war for the control of Rio de Janeiro.
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Originally posted by Bandeirante

Thanks Pinguin
 
Any colonial battle in Chile ? Indian's war usually were minor skirmishes, not a big concentration of fighters. What was the military scale in the Mapuche's wars ? How many soldiers could be engaged there in a battle ? Who were they ? What about the Pacific War ? I think it woul be easy to you to list some of the battles in Chile and the logistics used there. 
 
 
Fellow, you should study the Indian war in Chile. It was the longest and blodiest of all the Indian wars accross the hemisphere. Most Spaniards died in Chile than in the rest of the Americas.
 
Mapuches were trained by a former young prisioner of Pedro de Valdivia, the conquistador. Well, he was trained by the spaniards in Spanish warfare. He escaped together with horses and trained the Mapuches in the same art of the Spanish squadroons famous in Europe.
Impaling Spanish on top of their horses was the favorite trick of the Mapuches, and Spanish that got captive risked to be killed and his heart eaten! Nuns were the favorited women for them as well LOL
 
Mapuches were so sucessful in their uprising that stopped colonization 600 kilometers south of Santiago, burning many cities. From there on up to the end of the Spanish dominion, the "frontier" has to be always protected by a chain of forts, and even then, once in a while, Mapuches attacked and burn again the cities to the ground.
 
Chile, for instance, was the only country in the Spanish America that produced more expenses than benefits. It was a military occupied land almost all its time, and that's why was a poor country. So poor than instead of slaves, prisoners were used to buidl forts and bridges.
 
Widows make the largest segment of the population in Santiago during colonial times.
 


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Yes, the Mapuches are very interesting from the military point of view.
As you said Chile was very poor in the Colonial times, no money to buy African slaves, no money to build up a competent military force and logistic. In Chile you hadn't other European powers fighting and competing for the same resources and territories, so there has never been a Colonial local military spirit and tradition of conquest. No other strong Amerindian tribe in Chile to be used against the Mapuches ? The Spanish military weakness in Chile must be explained. I have a theory that the Spanish expansion stopped in face of any resolute tribal opposition. Only the big Indian Empires were conquered in face of their structural weakness. Europeans needed Indians Allies to settle a bridge head in America.
The Spanish Empire stopped in Cumana- Venezuela, in the Amazon, in Santa Cruz de La Sierra-Bolivia, in the Pantanal- North of Assuncion(Paraguay) and the Indians were used as a shield against the Brazilian Bandeirantes(Brazilian Luso-Amerindians with Blacks) in Central South America. The Bandeirantes fought hard for two hundred years to control areas of brave Amerindian tribes and face the Spanish Empire Allied Indians in the heart of South America. It's one of the biggest sagas of territorial expansion in the world. 
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Albuquerque's Gesta
 
1553- Pernambuco - Jernimo de Albuquerque (the governor of Pernambuco and Duarte Coelho's brother-in-law) leads the Portuguese in a hard fought war against the Potiguar to the north and the Caet to the south.  Two years of fighting leaves the settlers suffering financially, the two largest sugar mills destroyed, and the sugar crop depleted. 
 
1560 - Jorge de Albuquerque Coelho, the 20 year old son of Duarte Coelho, arrives in Pernambuco and is immediately elected to lead an expedition against the hostile Indians (probably Potiguar and/or Caet). Jorge de Albuquerque Coelho leads a force largely paid and equipped by himself through the coastal forests of Pernambuco against successive Indian villages.  The Tobajara, who live near Olinda, ally with the Portuguese and support them in their wars.   The alliance is sealed when Jernimo de Albuquerque marries the daughter of the Tobajara chief Green Bow.  By 1565, when Jorge de Albuquerque Coelho returns to Portugal, the Portuguese control 320 km of the coast around Pernambuco.   
1568 - Duarte de Albuquerque Coelho (son of Duarte Coelho and brother of Jorge) arrives in Pernambuco as the the new donatory.  He quickly comes under the sway of Antnio de Gouveia - a Portuguese sorcerer known as the 'Golden Father'.  In his most famous act the 'Golden Father' persuades the Viatan tribe -  neighbors of the Potiguar in Pernambuco who had recently struck by famine - to be bound and sold as slaves.  
 
1569 - Duarte de Albuquerque Coelho leads six companies of Portuguese and 20,000 Indian allies against the natives (probably Caet) of Cape St. Augustine (40 km south of Olinda in Pernambuco).  All the nearby captaincies send men, for example Itabarac sent all their able bodied men.  The natives are eventually crushed and the Portuguese move on to attack the Indians (also probably Caet) of Serinham (80 km south of Olinda) by land (under Jernimo de Albuquerque) and sea (under Filipe Cavalcante, a Florentine noble and Albuquerque's son-in-law).  After a hard war the Serinham natives are also crushed.  Most are sold into slavery, but many thousands escape into the interior of Brazil. 
 
1571 - The 'Golden Father' is arrested (19 Feb) and shipped to Portugal to face the inquisition - although he escapes in Cape Verde.  King Sebatio orders the donatory of Pernambuco (Duarte de Albuquerque Coelho) back to Portugal (25 April) because of his involvement with the sorcerer.
 
1572 - Jorge de Albuquerque Coelho returns to Pernambuco as governor.  
 
1598 - Smallpox hits the Potiguar. Feliciano Coelho takes reinforcements (24 horsemen, 60 arquebusiers and 350 Indians) to finish building the fort on the Potengi (Apr).  While finishing the fort the Portuguese and Tobajara continue to raid the Potiguar.  The completed fort, now named Reis Magos ('Fort of the Magi'), is left under the command of a mameluco Jernimo de Albuquerque, and Coelho marches back to (northern-eastern) Paraba storming Potiguar villages on the way
 
1599 - The Potiguar accept overtures from Jernimo de Albuquerque and a peace treaty is signed in (northern-eastern) Paraba (11 Jun).  Jernimo de Albuquerque becomes the first captain-major of Rio Grande, and the town of Natal is built near fort Reis Magos.
 
1601 - In a last bid for freedom, 40,000 Potiguar besiege Natal (commanded by Feliciano Coelho).  Manoel de Mascarenhas Homem leads 400 Portuguese and 3000 Indians (and the Englishman Anthony Knivet) to its relief.  In a surprise attack the Portuguese break the siege
 
1614 - Jernimo de Albuquerque leads a Portuguese to expel the French from  Maranho (Aug).  The expedition includes Portuguese, plus Trememb and Cear Potiguar trained in European warfare.  Facing them is Franois de Rasilly with 400 Frenchmen and 2,000 Tupinamb.  The smaller Portuguese force builds a fort facing the French settlement. The French invest the camp, but on 19 Nov the Portuguese storm out of their defenses and overwhelm the enemy.  More than 90 Frenchmen are killed along with 400 of their Indians.   As a result the Tupinamb switch allegiance to the Portuguese
 
1617 - Convinced that the Portuguese are intending to enslave them, the Tupinamb of the Maranho mainland (but not the Island) storm the fort at Tapuitapera (or Cum) and killed the 30 white defenders.  14 more whites are killed on the Par.  Mathias de Albuquerque (the Governor's son) leads 50 soldiers and 200 Indians pursue the Cum Tupinamb into the forest.   The Indians launch an unsuccessful attack on his stockade (3 Feb) and are crushed. 
 
1618 - Late in the year Mathias de Albuquerque lands on the Gurupi with 50 soldiers and 600 Tapuia.  Most Tupinamb flee, but one groups is caught and slaughtered
 
Jeronimo de Albuquerque, the Mameluco (Portuguese Father and Indian Mother), Conqueror of Maranho, defeating the French, passes to sign as Jeronimo de Albuquerque Maranho, a name still found in modern Brazil 
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Battle of the Monongahela

On July 9, 1755, Braddock's men crossed the Monongahela without opposition, about nine miles south of Fort Duquesne. The advance unit under Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Gage began to move ahead, and unexpectedly came upon the French and Indians, who were hurrying to the river, behind schedule and too late to set an ambush. In the furious skirmish that followed between Gage's soldiers and the French, the French commander was killed, although apparently his death did not have a negative effect on French morale as the French and their Indian allies continued to advance. The battle, which came to be known as the Battle of the Monongahela (or the Battle of the Wilderness, or just Braddock's Defeat), was officially begun. Braddock's impressive column of almost 1,500 men faced fewer than 900 French and Indians.[2]

After an initial defense, Gage's advance group fell back. In the narrow confines of the road, they collided with the main body of Braddock's force, which had advanced rapidly when the shots were heard. The entire column dissolved in disorder as the Canadian militamen and Indians enveloped them and continued to snipe at the British from the woods and ravines on the sides of the road. At this time, the French regulars began advancing from the road and began to push the British back.

Following Braddock's example, the officers kept trying to reform units into regular order within the confines of the road, mostly in vain and simply providing targets for their concealed enemy. In a fruitless attempt, cannon was used, but in such confines of the forest road, it was ineffective. The colonial militia accompanying the British either fled or took cover and returned fire. In the confusion, some of the militiamen who were fighting from the woods were mistaken for the enemy and fired upon by the British regulars.

Finally, after around an hour of intense combat, Braddock was shot off his horse, and effective resistance collapsed. However, Colonel Washington, with no official position in the chain of command, was able to impose and maintain some order and formed a rear guard, which allowed the force to evacuate and eventually disengage. This earned him the sobriquet Hero of the Monongahela, by which he was toasted, and established his fame for some time to come.

By sunset, the surviving British and American forces were fleeing back down the road they had built. Braddock died of his wounds during the long retreat, on July 13, and is buried within the Fort Necessity parklands.

Of the approximately 1,500 men Braddock had led into battle, 456 were killed and 422 wounded. (Commissioned officers were prime targets and suffered greatly: out of 86 officers, 26 were killed and 37 wounded.) Also, of the 50 or so women that accompanied the British column as maids and cooks, only 4 survived. The roughly 250 French and Canadians reported 8 killed and 4 wounded; their 637 Indian allies lost 15 killed and 12 wounded.

Colonel Dunbar, with the rear supply unit, took command when the survivors reached his position. He ordered the destruction of supplies and cannon before withdrawing, burning about 150 wagons on the spot. Ironically, at this point the demoralised and disorganised British forces still outnumbered their opponents, who had not even dared to pursue.

It is claimed that the retreat did not begin until three to four hours after the opening shots. This seems unlikely. The British soldiers carried 24 rounds into battle. It seems more likely that, being shot at from hidden positions, they began to retreat after these were expended, or the officers became casualties.

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Thanks Samara
 
We can think in a general framework
 
Spain (Castila)
 
1 - Spanish conquest of the Caribbean islands and initial bridgeheads - 1492
2 - Spanish assault to the big Amerindian Empires
2a - Aztecs
2b Incas
3 - Spanish lowlands tribal nucleus, first decades of the 16th Century
3a - Venezuelan Litoral
3b - Central Chile
3c - Paraguay, Assuncion
3d - Santa Cruz de La Sierra
Tribal obstaculization of the Spanish advance in the end of the 16th century
 
Portugal
Brazilian Litoral brigeheads 
War with the French since the first years of the 16th Century
Indian Alliances and mixing in
1 Olinda-Pernambuco, 
2 Salvador-Bahia,
3 So Vicente-Piratinga-So Paulo,
All three were the nucleus of the Portuguese (Luso-Brazilian) conquest of the entire Brazilian Litoral behind the Torsesillas's Treaty Line in the 16th Century.
 - Litoral's War against the French and the Luso-Brazilian conquest of Rio de Janeiro (1567) and Maranho (1612), defeating and expelling the French from those important strategic places.
- Conquest of the Amazon and defeat and expelling of the early English and Dutch forts in the mouths and entrance of this big river complex (1620-1630's). Portuguese trip from the Atlantic to the Andes via the Amazon (1637-1639)
Dutch War. National, ethnic and religious war in Brazil (1630-1654) Biggest Battles and mobilizations of manpower and military resouces of the 17th Century in America
 
Holland
Assault on Brazil
Salvador 1624
Pernambuco and Brazilian Northeast 1630-1654
Angola - 1640-1648 (Portuguese reconquest from Rio de Janeiro)
The Dutch lost the First Atlantic War, part of the First World War fought against Portugal in the entire world. As Charles Boxer has said, the Portuguese won in America, a stalemate/draw in Africa and Dutch victory in Asia. At least Portugal could keep Goa and Macau 
The Dutch conquered islands in the Spanish Caribbean
Aruba, Curaao
New Amsterdam, North America
 
England
Expeditions in South America, Forts in the Amazon, defeated by the Portuguese
Expeditions in North America, bridgehead and settlements in Jamestown (1607), New England (1620's), Carolinas (1670) 
 
France
Rio de Janeiro (1550) lost to  the Portuguese
Maranho (1612) idem
Quebec Nouvelle France (1608)
Guyana, Cayenne (1643) the best successful French Colony in America
Haiti (1664) captured from the Spaniards
 
General -
 
Tribal Wars of extermination and contention were everywhere. Colonist sagainst Amerindians. Always extremely violent and brutal. Extermination or assimilation of Indian groups close to the European Colonies. Some groups were cannibals, like in Brazil.
 
In the 17th Century began the continuous atrition and wars between the Portuguese Brazilians and the Spanish Guaranis. Bandeirantes attacked the easternmost Province of Guair (nowadays Brazilian State of Paran ) in 1628-1632. Tapes, Rio Grande do Sul 1636/37, Itatins, Mato Grosso do Sul, 1632-1648. Bandeirantes defeat in the battle of Mboror, Jesuits and Guaranis victory in (1641). Open war in the River Plate in the Colnia do Sacramento, founded in 1680, the most disputed area in America. Spaniards used the great advantage of the largest Guarani manpower from the Missions to fight the Luso-Brazilians
 
Next - 18th Century was a time of big battles in America in a larger scale.
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Poor Guaranies.
 
After seeing "The Mission" I realize Brazilians were the bad guys in the Colonization of the Americas. :)
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Come on Pinguin
 
White Colonists always killed, enslaved and exporpriated the Indians everywhere in America. Brazilians were the only ones to fully integrate the Tupi Indians in the mainstream Brazilian society. The Guarani were much better in our side of the border because they could join the Bandeiras. The jesuits created a big authoritarian theocratic state in the Missions and the Jesuits were extremely racists because no Guarani was ever ordered a priest or a jesuit. When the jesuits left the region after the Royal expulsion the Guarani political structure disappeared because the Guarani had never been free under the jesuit administration. Most of the Bandeirantes were a mixed people with the Indians and the majority of the Bandeirante's foot soldiers were full blooded Indians. The Guarani too were slave-soldiers under the Jesuit command and they used to attack the Brazilians in places were they had never been before, like the Colnia do Sacramento. The Missions in the 18th century had more population than Chile and they were an auxiliary army used in the Spanish interests, so it was war as usual. Guaranis tried to kill us and our people tried to kill them ! Power, territory and war as usual.
The jesuits and the Guaranis hated the other Indians of the region. The jesuits ordered the Guarani to kill Charruas, Minuanos, Kaingang that were many times allieds of the Luso-Brazilians in the South.   
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LOL
Yes, Bandeirante, I know that history is ambiguos and I was pulling your leg.
Jesuits tried to build a teocracy in the Mission territories, and that's why they were expelled from the Spanish Empire after all.
 
They have some possitive things, as the fact they created the Latin American barroque, for instance, on which Amerindians were part of the creators. With respect to Indians ordered Jesuits, it seem there were many, at least in Chiloe-Chile, where Jesuits also had missions.
 
With respect to the movie, "The Mission", perhaps is time Brazil films its own version of the events. That could be an interesting movie to see, I can tell you.
 
 
 
 
 
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Yes Pinguin, The Mission is a biased movie (if it's possible a completely unbiased art product"
A very, very interesting article about the Guarani Militias is found here
 
Guaranis Militias were slave-soldires of the Jesuits (no remuneration) that could be used not only against the Bandeirantes but against any enemy of the Coroa, the Paraguayan Comuneros and against other Indians like the Charruas.
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Charruas! Uruguayans!
 
Quite interesting, Bandeirante. I am thinking I need to check once again this part of history.
 
By the way, I know some story about the 17th century Jesuits that's really scary. Some day I will publish it here.
 
 
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Yes, please Pinguin ! I would like to read !
Pinguin, are you 24 hours by day on the internet ?
 
 
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1.) Cajamarca (1532) Spanish  force of 100 infantry and 67 cavalry. Their commander was Fransico Pizarro. Against them  the Incas had 6,000 warriors . They were commanded by Atahualpa.

The result of the battle led to the defeat of the Incas and the establishment of Spanish power in Peru.

2.) Quebec (1759) British force of 4,441 troops commanded by Major general James wolfe. Against them the French had 4,500 commanded by General Marquis Louis-Joseph de Montcalm.

The results of the battle led to a British victory over the French, and secured their preeminence in N. America.
 
3.) Yorktown (1781) British force of 6,000 troops and Hessian mercenaries commanded by General Lord Cornwallis. American and French forces: American force of 8,000 troops and 7,000 French troops commanded by General George Washington.
 
Results of the British defeat led to US independence.
 
 
4.) Ayacucho (1824) Force of 5,780 troops commanded by Antonio Jos de La Sucre. Aganist them were about 9,310 Spanish troops commanded by Jos de La Serna.
 
The last major battle that ended Spanish colonial rule on the continent.
 
5.) Mexico city (1847) 7,200 US troops commanded by Lt. General Winfield Scott. Opposing them were 16,000 Mexican troops commanded by General Antonio Lpez de Santa Anna.
 
The results of the US victory caused the collapse of the Mexican government and the end of the war. In the peace treaty, the US acquired northern Mexico and the dominant political position in the Western hempisphere.
 
Gettysburg (1863) 115,000 Union troops commanded by Major General George Gordon Meade. against them were 76,000 Confederate troops commanded by General Robert E. Lee.
 
The results of the battle was a great morale boost for the Union, as well as helping the political unity of the North. Considered by many too be the high water mark of the Confederacy. But a tantalizing question remains. Did Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation keep certain European governments from openly siding with the Confederacy?
 
(Note: All troop numbers are approximate)
 
Source: 100 decisive battles, authored by Paul K. Davis.
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  Quote Tore The Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Feb-2008 at 11:43
Fort Casimir taken by Johan Rising ,  whitout fight , renamed Fort Trinity , ended Swedish colonial era in North America.
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Feb-2008 at 12:01
There have been quite a lot more battles in the Americas than those.
 
In any case, if we consider the size of the Americas (40% of earth surface), and compare with Europe, for instance, we find out it has been a more peaceful continent by far.
 
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Feb-2008 at 12:02
Originally posted by Bandeirante

Yes, please Pinguin ! I would like to read !
Pinguin, are you 24 hours by day on the internet ?
 
 
 
Not really. Not at all.
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