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    Posted: 05-Mar-2005 at 02:14
Getting late so I thought I would throw this out!!
When I did my research on the Sacklar exhibit for the Museum of Cycladic Art in Athens, Greece I found an interesting theory by Colin Refrew.
He theorized, based on the current archaeological evidence, that around the time of the early Shang dynasty 1700 B.C. Nomadic Indo European tribes could have brought the wheel, the horse and the art of Metallurgy to the Han Chinese. It is hotly debatd by the Chinese of course!!
11O and have to get up early for school work- ZZZZ!!
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Specifically, the earliest of the Tarim Basin mummies, including that of the "Beauty of Loulan" can be dated to c. 2000 BC. 

The earliest evidence of horse domestication took place c. 4500 BC on the Pontic-Caspian steppe. 

The evidence of cultural drift in central Asia at this period was from west to east.

The Old Chinese words for wheels, wheelspokes, axles, and chariots, have Indo-European etymologies. 

The spoked wheel and the chariot did not appear in China until about 1500 BC.

The names Qilian and Kunlun in Chinese for certain mountains are derived from IE Tocharian and mean "holy, heavenly", implying a Tocharian presence in these mountainous regions.

The Bronze Age in the Tarim began by about 2000 BC.

The Bronze Age in original China didn't begin until about 1500 BC.
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Originally posted by Sharrukin

The Old Chinese words for wheels, wheelspokes, axles, and chariots, have Indo-European etymologies. 

Would you please give us this vocabulary?  
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I saw the NOVA presentation on T.V. a few years ago.  They seemed to come to the conclusion that the Tarim mummies were Tocharians.  The Tocharians were an Indo-European people who spoke a language that had Celtic characteristics.  They had moved east from the Black Sea area in a what was known as the "Great Migrations."  It was interesting that some of the mummies were dressed in plaid garments.  Some of them also wore pointed caps which were common among the Scythians.
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After viewing the Tarim Basin mummies, we now know that it is no longer true to say "dead men don't wear plaid."
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Would you please give us this vocabulary?
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The author doesn't go into specifics except in the case of "chariot" in another part of her book.  She cites Old Chinese klyag (later, che) as an example, which compares to IE *kwel or *kwekwel, "chariot, wheel". 

She also cites another author who finds a connection between Old Chinese myag, a court priest/doctor, with Iranian, magus, "priest".
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I'm interested to know/view someof these "Tarim Basin Mummies". Is there any site where I can know/learn a little bit more about it?

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here is a web site I found on Yahoo!!
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He looks like he is just sleeping!! or she???
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