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Topic: Kick the foreigners out! Posted: 26-Nov-2007 at 18:09 |
After the counter performance of England on the path to Euro something had to be done. The coach was sacrificed as usual, but for once the inventors of the beautiful game realized that the problem might be somewhere else (England hasn't win anything in 41 years!!!).
So what are they considering? Merging the Scottish, English, Welsh and N. Ireland team together so as to increase the pool of talented players and avoid that great geniuses like George Best be waisted in small team that will never have a chance to win anything? No.
Send the young English lads to Sao Paulo for them to learn the magics and forget their all too usual kick and run that plagues great players like Peter Crouch? Nope.
Finally pool money together so as to create a real school of football the way France did 20 years ago creating people like Thierry Henry? Wrong again.
They are talking about decreasing the number of foreigners in the Premiership. Indeed, more aliens means less room for English players thus less chances for them to become good. This is basically the football version of English jobs for English workers.
But of course this is totally flawed. If English players were good people from the whole of Europe would fight over them, instead (with the notable exception of Beckham) the English players are not prone to emigrate. The comparison between the English and the French (or Croatian, Brazilian, Portuguese, Argentinian) teams of the WC06 is very clear: almost no English player came from a non-English club while almost no French player came from a French club.
Actually other countries are in the same situation as England, Spain and Italy tend to play with players from their own championship but (at least one of them) they still do well in major competitions.
So do you think the Premier League would be better without Adebayor, Fabregas, and co?
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Posted: 26-Nov-2007 at 18:36 |
The germans found another way. While the Bundesliga is crowded with more or less talented but in every case cheap plyers frm all over the world, Klinsmann and Loew assembled german players, which hadn't a very good reputation, some of them were only substitutes in their teams.
The managers gave them back their self-confidence, used the modern way to play the game and now , some years later, the German players are respected again in the world.
To develope the young players, even if they are not at the standard of the Brazilians, to form a good collective sems to be another alternative then to kick out the foreigners out of the leagues.
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Posted: 27-Nov-2007 at 00:17 |
Who's suggesting this.....
You get a few nutty commentators suggest it, every other week, but no-one ever listens.
Fact is the Premiership is the biggest is sold around the world, a Chinese player in Man U sells it to a billion Chinese. There's no-way the business that run the business will have anything but theway it is now.
And what the FA have just done is put Arsene Wenger in charge of choosing the new manager. strange if they want the foreigners out. And the candidates for the job are, Jose Marino, Luiz Felipe Scolari, Martin O'Neil (all approached by the FA) and (Raphael Benitez, Jurgen Klinsman and Fabio Capella) who have all approached the FA... all foreigners.
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Posted: 27-Nov-2007 at 01:10 |
Well according to the Economist, the minister of sport did.
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Posted: 27-Nov-2007 at 03:33 |
Again what the minister of sport says doesn't really matter to premiership chairmen. Sep Blatter is always on about a foreign player ban. But it was fought in the European court and they said it's illegal.
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Posted: 27-Nov-2007 at 17:58 |
Originally posted by Paul
Who's suggesting this.....
You get a few nutty commentators suggest it, every other week, but no-one ever listens.
Fact is the Premiership is the biggest is sold around the world, a Chinese player in Man U sells it to a billion Chinese. There's no-way the business that run the business will have anything but theway it is now.
And what the FA have just done is put Arsene Wenger in charge of choosing the new manager. strange if they want the foreigners out. And the candidates for the job are, Jose Marino, Luiz Felipe Scolari, Martin O'Neil (all approached by the FA) and (Raphael Benitez, Jurgen Klinsman and Fabio Capella) who have all approached the FA... all foreigners.
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If Juergen Klinsmann would agree, he would be accused of high treason.
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Posted: 27-Nov-2007 at 18:09 |
Klinsman was just rubbing salt in England's wounds by showing interest in the job. He has no intention of actually going for it.
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Posted: 27-Nov-2007 at 18:44 |
yeah well you can't have both i guess, everyone laughs at German clubs performances in champions league and Engand boasts itself to have the best league in the world (propably true), while on a (inter)national level its vice versa....also i prefer our league over other leagues that have 1-4 "super"clubs and the rest is below mediocre, our league is pretty balanced and thus very interesting to watch. and our national team wins most of the time, couldn't be much better.
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Posted: 27-Nov-2007 at 21:40 |
Originally posted by ulrich von hutten
Originally posted by Paul
Who's suggesting this.....
You get a few nutty commentators suggest it, every other week, but no-one ever listens.
Fact is the Premiership is the biggest is sold around the world, a Chinese player in Man U sells it to a billion Chinese. There's no-way the business that run the business will have anything but theway it is now.
And what the FA have just done is put Arsene Wenger in charge of choosing the new manager. strange if they want the foreigners out. And the candidates for the job are, Jose Marino, Luiz Felipe Scolari, Martin O'Neil (all approached by the FA) and (Raphael Benitez, Jurgen Klinsman and Fabio Capella) who have all approached the FA... all foreigners.
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A foreign manager is fine, but a German, there would be a civil war..... Then again he is the crappest manager of the six candidates, which normally would in the FA's case make you favourate to get the job.
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Posted: 28-Nov-2007 at 23:51 |
Tem actually you are wrong, several clubs in the Premiership are actually able to threaten the big four and very agreeable to see playing (Portsmouth, Man City, Everton, West Ham, Bolton are all excellent Europe-level teams even Aston Villa may be fun to watch once in a while, and then there is of course my beloved Tottenham). Thinking of it Italy has also way more than 4 good teams.
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Posted: 29-Nov-2007 at 15:37 |
Its a stupid enough idea in fairness. Players can only get better playing with the likes of Rosicky, Alonso, Drogba etc. They add a certain flair to the game other countries lack. The problem isn't with too many foreigners in the game, the problem is that most kids nowadays are too busy playing their PS3's and whatnot rather than kicking about in the park.
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Posted: 30-Nov-2007 at 13:14 |
This is more important than you realise, English clubs (some) have rich purses, and can simply buy there way to titles, players sold like prostitutes to the highest bidders, While this goes on football fans abroad miss out on seeing there own talent week to week.
Ive no problem with foreign players, but at the same time if the first team of an english side is majority foreign, this is wrong look at arsenal and chelsea, if they win the champions league, was it a truly english team, no way.
The teams like this exist abroad too, There actually used to be a limit in the number of foreign players you could use in europe competitions,
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Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 18:50 |
EPL could turn into U.S. Housing market, all those foreign investors, are they there to stay or make some quick fame and fortune? The bubble always looks the fullest right before it bursts. Of course that could happen whether they limit the foreign players or not, but it doesn't help. After that they won't be able to afford too many superstar foreign players, so there, the problem's solved.
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Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 19:36 |
I think that's a great idea. I think many teams just buy foreigners for the sake of it without considering giving a chance to home talent. The Scottish league was plagued by this problem too, with smaller teams vying for crap foreign players at the expense of home talent. Now, innovative small teams such as Hibernian have developed a great youth development programme and indeed many of their successes can be seen playing at international level today.
Hibs' examples: Scott Brown, Gary O'Connor, Gary Caldwell, Kenny Miller.
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Posted: 09-Dec-2007 at 13:32 |
football acadamies are vital, look at what liverpool and manchester united have produced in the past, saddly both these teams are taking easy routes, ie buying other clubs finds more and more.
And the fans foot the daft wage bills, well more fool them, i stopped going fifteen years ago.
scouts need to be invested in, theres lots of talent in school teams that go unspotted, these gifted players wind up on building sites and in offices, a crying shame.
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