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    Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 19:00
I don't know if this was ever posted before, but here's a interesting piece:
 
 
Rome named after a woman?
 
By Jennifer Viegas

Romulus and Remus

May 15, 2003 A fragment of writing by Stesichorus, a Graeco-Sicilian poet who wrote not long after Rome's founding, suggests Rome was named after a Trojan woman called Roma.

The fragment, rediscovered and embraced by growing numbers of Italians today, challenges the popular legend that Romulus was Rome's founder.

Stesichorus (638-555 B.C.) described how Roma, with her Trojan fleet, fled the war-torn city of Troy.

They arrived in a beautiful place where visitors were "enticed to dream while being caressed by the off-shore breeze." Roma and her entourage, captivated by the idyllic spot, did not desire to leave. She had all of her ships burned. The happily stranded group then named the place after Roma.

Eleanor Leach, professor of classics at Indiana University, Bloomington, told Discovery News that the story is also recounted in a 5th century historical narrative entitled "Roman Antiquities" by the Greek writer Dionysius of Halicarnassus. He referred to the woman as Rhome, which means "power" in Greek.

According to a recent report in Rome's Il Messaggero newspaper, about 1,000 people marched in support of Roma on April 21. Based on writings by the scholar Varro who lived in the first century B.C., Rome was founded on that day in 753 B.C. between 8 and 9 a.m. A yearly celebration called Parilia is observed to commemorate the event.

While Rome's early history is clouded in mythology, most people are taught the legend of Romulus and Remus. In Roman writings, these twin brothers were born in the ancient Italian city of Alba Longa. They left, hoping to establish their own city. They chose a site, built a wall around it, and Romulus named it after himself.

Plutarch, a Greek biographer and essayist who lived from approximately 46-120 A.D., popularized the myth in his work entitled "Romulus." Stesichorus was born just over a century after 753 B.C., which supporters of the Roma theory say strengthens their claims.

Not everyone agrees.

Guy Rogers, professor of history and classics at Wellesley College, told Discovery News, "Stesichorus' context, controversial in itself, suits the establishment of the Republic- circa 510 B.C.E. much better than the traditional foundation date of Rome."

However, he added, "We do know that as early as the sixth century B.C. a place called Aeneia in Macedonia was issuing coins showing Aeneas (a Trojan hero) carrying his father Anchises from the ruins of Troy, so the legend of someone getting away from the destruction of Troy goes back that far at least."

While the myth concerning the Trojan refugee Roma appears to be garnering attention in modern Italy, ancient Rome's male leaders favored the Romulus and Remus story.

"The notion of Roma/Rhome as a daughter of Aeneas did exist in ancient texts, although it wasn't the foundation legend that the Romans preferred, especially after Julius Caesar and Augustus had claimed to be descendants of Aeneas' son Iulus, known also as Ascanius," explained Leach.

According to the Romulus and Remus legend, Iulus was related to Romulus, so the link would have given Julius Caesar and Augustus direct ties to Rome's supposed founder.

Classics scholars agree that further research, including archaeological work, is needed to determine, if possible, who was the actual namesake of Rome.
 
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  Quote Chilbudios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 19:31

The legend that Rome was named after a woman was known at least since 19th century (IIRC Niebuhr's History of Rome mentions it). So what's actually the news?

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  Quote Tyranos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 20:17

Well I posted it cause maybe some around here werent aware of this version/tale. It sounds like a plausible idea.

 
What I personally find more interesting  is that the Trojans themselves werent described very differently than the Greeks themselves, they worshiped the same gods, shared traditions and even weapons and armor.
 
 
The name Rome itself though undoubtedly comes from  Greek. It derives from two  Greek verbs: 1) roomai which means to move with speed or violence, to dart, rush, rush on, esp. of warriors. and  2) ronnymi which means to strengthen, make strong and mighty and to put forth strength, have strength or might.
 
The Southern Italians adopted Hellenism very early on and took in some Colonist from Greece thus becoming known as Magna Grecians to Romans themselves, the Magna Grecians  were bi-lingual, so it makes sense that the Latins(whom claimed they were decedents of Aeneas and Odysseus) would make use of such material.
 
Or possibly the Pelasgian theory explains the relationship between Italics and Hellenes.
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  Quote elenos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Oct-2007 at 12:40
I have heard a story that Roma was a goddess (of course) but also the secret name of Rome. In that case the name may not have been Roma. The story went that if somebody knew your actual name they could place a curse on you, so your personal name was never mentioned in public places. I'm not aware of this process happening in Rome, but happened in many other countries. An interesting sidelight is the Roman worship of the eagle. To earlier Near Eastern civilizations this  symbol signified worship of the female element of the earth. The male was traditionally the snake. 

Now the snake was the good guy, and the eagle the cunning female. Seeing she could fly up to heavens she consulted with the mansions of the gods who were planning an invasion of the earth. They told the bird to fly back and to trick the snake into giving secret information about the earth. The snake fell for the sweet talk and so the eagle picked him up and carried of to heaven where he was held hostage as the gods invaded. In an another convoluted twist this meant changing of the earlier matriarchal system to the later patriachial system.  It had to do with the changing way of life from nomads to town dwellers. I have no back up evidence at the moment but it is around and has to do with the legendary lost kingdom of Arrata, recently found in Southern Iran.
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  Quote morticia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Oct-2007 at 16:52
Great article, Tyranus! Thats very interesting! Ive heard of the legend of the twins, Romulus & Remus, but never heard of Rome being named after a woman (although it would not surprise me that a woman could be responsible for the strongest and largest empire which has ever existed.) But, maybe Im a bit bias!

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  Quote Tyranos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Oct-2007 at 20:19
Thanks!
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Oct-2009 at 19:17
Whilst I did not slowly read each post above this one, I would like to suggest that "ROMA", spelled from right to left, as in Hebrew and Aramaic, etc. would spell "AMOR!"   And "Love" is what "Iesus" also promoted!
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