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battleaxe
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Topic: Japanese Invasion of Chinese Daiyu Tai Islands Posted: 09-Feb-2005 at 20:20 |
is there a historical reason for saying the diaoyu/senkakus are chinese rather than japanese or independent altogether?
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Tobodai
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Posted: 09-Feb-2005 at 21:07 |
I have to agree with sinosword, the current government of china deserves squat, the government must change for the better and when it does so not only will people not dare to grab "chinese" posesions, those posessions will be loyal to China.
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coolstorm
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Posted: 09-Feb-2005 at 21:24 |
"is there a historical reason for saying the diaoyu/senkakus are chinese rather than japanese or independent altogether? "
Yes, there are documents tracing back to the 15th century stating Chinese sovereighty over Daiyu Tai Islands. Daiyu Tai Islands were first landed by the Ming Imperial Navy during the 15th Century, and were incorporated into Ming's territories. During the Qing dynasty, these Islands were granted to an Imperial Official as present by the Emperor. The Islands are right off the coast of Taiwan and are around 75 miles away from the Chinese Mainland. The first Japanese visit on the Islands were during the 18th century, and they were not made part of Japan nor Japanese controlled territories until the Qing government ceded Taiwan and some offshore Islands along with Daiyu Tai Islands to Japan in 1895 after the defeat of Sino-Japanese War. However, after Japanese's surrender of WW2 in 1945, Taiwan and Daiyu Tai Islands were to be returned to China like Korea was no made independent from Japan. Taiwan was returned as a result. But the inpopulated Daiyu Tai Islands were never returned formally. However, oil resources have been discovered near the Daiyu Tai Islands, and the Japanese government has started to claim the region just because of its control over the region including Taiwan and Chinese offshore Islands as an invading colonial power during WW2 and the beginning of the 20th century.
They are more than 500 miles away from the Japanese Main Islands. Japan's action of claiming Daiyu Tai is like the UK claiming some islands off the Italian coast.
I think the CCP government is doing the right thing now. China is developing its economy now. It is not a right time to start a military conflict in the region over the dispute. The CCP government has announced that the Japanese government's action is unlawful.
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warhead
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Posted: 10-Feb-2005 at 15:04 |
Obviously Yobodei knows nothing but contempt for PRC, he couldn't even tell the collapse of a regime's disastrous concequence, just ignore his comments. If anything that would destroy the political status of China it is the collapse of the PRC, no matter how corrupt it is, it mustremain in power at all cost.
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Jalisco Lancer
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Posted: 10-Feb-2005 at 16:27 |
warhead, about your comment above, please kindly comtempt your disqualifications about other members opinions.
Should I remind you the Code of Conduct ?
There are other ways to express your disagreement about an opinion than just disqualifying other's comment.
Regards
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cattus
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Posted: 10-Feb-2005 at 16:36 |
sinosword, what movie is your sig from?
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coolstorm
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Posted: 10-Feb-2005 at 17:42 |
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sinosword, what movie is your sig from? |
If I am not wrong, it's from the new CCTV Chinese series about Emperor Han Wudi named "Han Wu Da Di", meaning the great Emperor of Han Wudi. Under his rule, Han dynasty reached the zeith of power and expansion. It's one of the most glory periods of China.
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chaeohk
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Posted: 10-Feb-2005 at 17:48 |
isn't japan also like claiming a korean island as thier own... forgot the name at the moment...
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Posted: 10-Feb-2005 at 17:57 |
Originally posted by chaeohk
isn't japan also like claiming a korean island as thier
own... forgot the name at the moment...
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I heard about a Korean single handly got an island back from
Japan and guard it till the ROK government took over. Hope ROC or PRC
have some one like him.
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coolstorm
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Posted: 10-Feb-2005 at 17:59 |
"isn't japan also like claiming a korean island as thier own... forgot the name at the moment... "
Yes, they are. They are not only aggressive to the Chinese but also the Koreans. They also claim East China sea as part of their economic zone. But, the thing is in the case of the Korean Island, the Korean government has sent troops to occupy the island before the Japanese. Because of environmental factors, Daiyu Tai Islands are too small for a large military settlement. It's also too close to Taiwan that makes it very sensitive for the PLAN to occupy it. The Japanese militarist supporters built the light house and have forbidden other people to approach the region. A Hong Kong civilian was killed in 1996 on an attempt to get close to the Islands for a protest. Occasionally, there are Chinese protestors from Mainland, Hong Kong, and Taiwan attempting to land on the Islands to demonstrate Chinese sovereighty. The Japanese navy often use violent actions to stop the civilians.
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chaeohk
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Posted: 10-Feb-2005 at 18:03 |
ummm any suggestions on why they are claiming other country's land....
i have heard that the East Sea was changed to Sea of Japan after they
paid the mapmakers or something and that they changed Corea to Korea
cause it was in front of Japan in the alphebet...has anyone else heard
these..... in my opinion.. i think its more like peaceful conquering
,oxymoron .
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cattus
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Posted: 10-Feb-2005 at 18:05 |
Originally posted by coolstorm
If I am not wrong, it's from the new CCTV Chinese series about Emperor Han Wudi named |
hmm, if thats the case i will keep an eye out. I stream CCTV sometimes.
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Gubook Janggoon
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Posted: 10-Feb-2005 at 18:09 |
The Korean island is referred to as Dokdo(KRN), Takeshima(JPN),
Liancourt Rocks(ENG)...I wouldn't refer to it as a "Millitary"
force. From what I understand, it's a "Police" force...it's a
bunch of rocks sticking out in the middle of the ocean which is home to
random flowers and crapaholic sea birds. IMHO the only real value
it has is fishing rights around the island.
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sinosword
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Posted: 10-Feb-2005 at 20:36 |
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sinosword, what movie is your sig from? |
It as if comes from a MV named "Jing Zhong Bao Guo" which is about a Chinese Han native hero whose name is Yue Fei. But I can't sure. This picture has some Chinese words. The two small one on left is the name of Yue Fei. The four big one on right is a Yue Fei's handwriting which means to return our lands. Now, I also want to tell Japanese to return our Diaoyu island. Coolstorm maybe confuse it. But the "Han Wu Da Di" is really an excellent series.
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sinosword
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Posted: 10-Feb-2005 at 20:37 |
These pics show the islands which have been claimed by Japan. The top left one is China's Diaoyu island and the down right one is Korea's Dokdo island.
The location of Diaoyu
Chinese protestor are opposing the invading from Japan
Chinese people land on Diaoyu
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Elanjie
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Posted: 10-Feb-2005 at 22:15 |
Nationalism, it is a double blade sword. On this forum,i hope all my Compatriot to maitain gentle as possible as you can.And do consider the other memebers' thoughts.
"Profits of nation" is more often used of "title" to solute any things by japanese government, to claim their so-called "Maturity" in diplomatic and political policies.What ever they do now, there must be some other plan beneath it.It is funny, the Taiwan government had just claimed their position and attitude on Diaoyu island, they say the island is of Taiwan.
On this site,we should not be "young man with anger" any more.
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battleaxe
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Posted: 10-Feb-2005 at 23:56 |
I think it is sort of dangerous to intimately connect Japan's position regarding Dokdo/Takeshima and Diaoyu/Senkaku, to say if Japan is right in one it is right on the other, or if japan is wrong in one it is automatically wrong in the other. The two islands have different historical situations. By the way, with japan claiming islands 500 km off, doesn't China also claim the Spratly Islands off the Vietnamese/malaysian coasts that are far from its own body?
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Gubook Janggoon
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Posted: 11-Feb-2005 at 00:35 |
So what does China plan to do about this?
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