Magyar origins

I think we have departed from our original topic which was "Magyar origins," so I openinf a new thread about Pazaryk culture and moving the related posts there.

Edited by Sarmat12 - 31-Oct-2007 at 01:39

Originally posted by Sarmat12 Yes, we don't have 100% evidence. But we have some proofs which say that Sakas spoke Iranic language and it's most commonly refered as such in scientific literature. More over there are books written in Iranic Saka language in kigdom of Khotan although at a later time then the times of Ancient Skythians

That is correct.

And equally correct is a simple fact that Khotanese never refered to themselves as Saka. They used the word hvatana- instead. In fact, there is no "Saka" in Khotanese language. (Or rather languages, there were  two or maybe three distinct dialects, some say languages).

It should be borne in mind that the term Saka was attributed to Khotanese in the 20 century and never attested in any genuine Khotanese texts. They simply never knew this word. Consequently, this is a very late convenience of Iranists, not a historical fact.

Originally posted by Sarmat12 Kazakh clan, which I mentioned is very often referred as the direct evidence of Sakas influense on Kazakh in Kazakh history books. Moreover there is enough evidence of cultural continuity between ancient Sakas and modern Kazakhs. Genetic tests showed that Sakas and modern Kazakh in some areas have almost identical genetic pool.

Again, Saka clans - with more or less close phonetics - can be found in almost any Turkic nation, not only Kazakhs. I would rather call it a most common Turkic appelative found from Inner Mongolia (Fuyu Kyrgyz) to Moldova (Gagauz).

The simple conclusion would be that Sakas were Turkic. But we don't have any direct evidence to support that.

Turks, Magyars and Huns:

Edited by vibo - 16-Dec-2007 at 05:28