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Topic: Pick one Commander and Three Generals to lead in a medieval war! Posted: 21-Jan-2005 at 13:46 |
I'd pick Cengiz Khan as overall commander. He would sit on a hilltop overlooking his army and gain a proper view of the battlefield. His own Mongol warriors ready for action. Next, I would choose Alp Arlsan as his general of the left flank, giving encouragement to his flying Seljuks. They would strike at the enemy, roaming around in dizzying fashion only to confuse and then dash back in a feigned retreat. Sultan Beyazid II would govern the middle of the allied army. He would field a team of hand picked jannisaries positioned in a disciplined line five deep. Next and last is Timur and his deadly "Tatars" protecting the right flank, Always ready for a loud charge or swift counter attack against enemy formations.
Whew! What an army.
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Posted: 22-Jan-2005 at 07:27 |
I guess I'll go with Subotai (aka Subedei), Richard the Lion-Heart, Jalal-ad-Din, and any nameless Swiss Cantonal Captain.
Subotai was arguably the best general of his day, and his Mongol horse-archers were among the most formidable of troops in the Middle Ages.
Richard the Lion-Heart commanded the very best Western Europe had to offer--heavy cavalry (knights) capable of out-shocking virtually all other nations' heavy cavalry (when deployed properly), and effective infantry in the form of German and Northern Italian crossbowmen protected by infantry spearmen with large shields (pavesari). Equally significant was Richard's abilty to coordinate these various branches. The power of the crossbow even intimidated the Mongols, according to Friar Carpini.
Jalal-ad-Din, whose Khwarizmian Turks fought in much the same manner as the Mongols. Jalal-ad-Din also had gonads of titantium, as he proved when he spurred his horse into the Indus River when he was pursued by the Mongols. He would therefore be in charge of Medieval spec-ops.
The nameless Swiss Cantonal Captain would be in charge of a crack force of Swiss pikemen and halberdiers. The effectiveness of the Swiss system spoke for itself, and it enabled commanders of no special ability to win victories.
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Posted: 22-Jan-2005 at 12:24 |
ha, I think you greatly overestimate Richard.....
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Posted: 22-Jan-2005 at 20:21 |
Oda Nobunaga would have to be C in C. Understood campaigning as much as battlefield command. Was the only general in Japan to see the flaws of the Samurai as a warrior and able to understand how to tactically integrate new technologies.
The centre would be commanded by Edward I (longshanks). First in medieval Europe to see a new method of fightng superior to feudal knights and like Oda turned to peasants to defeat nobles. His hedgehog of longbows and billmen would be rock solid in the cetre. Billmen the original halberdiers could defeat any infantry including dismounted knights and repulse any cavalry charge. The longbow could strike down anything in range.
The cavalry wings would be commanded by Genghis. Not only a great battlefield commander but guerilla leader. He could harass the enemy before and after the battle and at a campaign level play havoc with their communication and supply lines, ensuring all battles are one sided before the arnies take the field.
Jean D'Arc. Not a general, more a flag, but a flag none the less with inspirational qualities. Sometimes poorly lead army with high motivation can defeat a well led but poorly motivated one. With Jean there in her shining gold suit of platemail, white Arabian steed and dozen minders to make sure she doesn't do anything stupid or get hurt. I'll have not pnly a well led army but a fantically motivated one.
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Posted: 23-Jan-2005 at 19:13 |
Genghis's horse archer, Jin Wu Shu's "crippled horse" heavy cavalry, Li Shi min's "light" heavy cavalry and Yue Fei's infantry and it would be as good as a medieval army prior to firearms could get.
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Posted: 06-Feb-2005 at 13:33 |
Blue = Medieval
Orange = Classical
Light Infantry Balacrean Slingers, Thracian
Peltasts, Agriannes javelinmen, Roman Spear Auxilia, Roman Auxiliary
Slingers, and Cretan & Rhodian Mercenary Archers and
Slingers
Heavy Cavalry Companion cavalry,
French Paladins, Ottoman sipahis, Elite Ghulams,
Teutonic Knights, Russian Boyars, Byzantine Cataphracts
(Kataphrakto) & Stratiotai, Ala
Singulares, Heteroi & Thessalian cavalry
Light Cavalry Numidian cavalry,
Mongol Horse Archers, Polish strzelcy (mounted
crossbowmen), turkopoles, and Spanish Hoblars,
Mercenary Tarentine cavalry, Paeonian scouts
Archers Chinese Professional Composite Bowmen, Cho
Ku Nus, Han Crossbowmen with grid sights, English & Welsh
Longbowmen, Scythian foot archers, and
Geonese & North Italian Crossbowmen, Pavise
Arbalesters
Artillery Roman Ballistas, Chinese Trebuchets and pao-shou catapults
Heavy Infantry Guarding the Center Scottish Pikemen,
English Billmen, Swiss Halberdiers (Reislaufer), German
landsknechts, and African (Libyan) &
Macedonian Phalangites
Heavy Infantry Guarding the Flanks Roman
Legionaries (Trajan Era), English Men at Arms, and
Spanish Sword-and-Buckler men (rodeleros)
Reserve/Special infantry A Select Band of
Janissaries, a bodyguard made up of Samurai, and
The Sacred Band and a select band of Spartan
Hoplites
Field Commanders Edward I Longshanks, Edward
the Black Prince, & Richard the Lion-Heart
(Left Flank), Epaminondas, Cyrus, Alexander, &
Phillip (Center), Jalal-ad-Din, Alp Arlsan, &
Sultan Beyazid II (Right Flank), Hannibal
(Overall Field Command)
Strategic Commanders Subotai & Genghis
Khan, Scipio & Hannibal,
Simon de Montfort, Edward IV, Belisarius, Heraclius
Fabius c**tator
Political Aides: Demosthenes,
Hyperides of Athens, and Gaius Marius & Julius Caesar
(excellent at politics and diplomacy, I could depend on these
guys to fill in across the board so Im covered from any pesky lawsuits)
Siege engineers Imperial Cohorts (for
engineering purposes), minghan engineers, Persian
Engineers, Archimedes (for some uber-sophisticated
machinery), Diognetus of Rhodes and Epimachus of Athens
(Epimachus built the helepolis for Demetrius, and until the imperial
era, the Rhodians, Chinese, and Persians were bar none the most
innovative artillery engineers)
Whew! What an army
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Posted: 06-Feb-2005 at 14:03 |
I'll take Chinggis as commander. Then I'll have Sbetai, Jebe and Mukhali as commander. If I had to take commanders from different nations I'd go for Jelal al-Din of khwarazm, Baybars of the mamluks and Algirdas of the Lithuanians
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Posted: 26-May-2005 at 09:04 |
Depends on the circumstances who I'd have as commander. In a defensive battle, Lu Xun. In an offensive battle Scipio Africanus.
Regardless, the 3 generals are easy. Zhao Yun, Julius Caesar and Zhang Liao.
The commander would lead the vanguard, while Zhao Yun and Julius Caesar taking the flanks. Zhang Liao would take a small force and circle around to the enemy rear for an ambush, throwing the enemy into disarray. Simple, perhaps, but often effective.
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Posted: 26-May-2005 at 21:57 |
Overall commander would be Flavius Belisarius because in my opinion, he is the best general before the gunpowder age.
For the three generals, I would have Julius Ceasar lead the infantry
because of his experience with the mostly heavy infantry legions.
Alexander the Great would lead my cavalry for obvious reasons. Lastly,
I would have Scipio Africanus lead my auxiliaries because of his
ability to whip his soldiers into shape and would make sure the
auxiliaries are kept in line.
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Posted: 27-May-2005 at 00:44 |
I love your topic!!!
Personally, I'd agree with Mangudai. The command of Genghis Khan, with Subotai, Jebe, and Muquali as subordinate generals, proved strongly effective. I would have to agree that picking generals from different nationalities would never be realistic because they would feud against each other.
How about: Commander= Genghis Khan, Generals= Batu, Hulagu, and Kublai. Works equally well as the combo with Subotai, Jebe, and Muquali. All in the family.
What about: Commander = Gandoff, Generals = Aragon, Legolas, and Gemini? Oops, off topic.
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Posted: 30-May-2005 at 04:32 |
Julius Caesar isn't medieval by the way.
I go for and all french and european line up.
Commander will be Lion heart
Left flank with Philip II of France, middle William the conqueror and the right flank Edward platagenet (Longshank)
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Posted: 30-May-2005 at 08:56 |
To be true, then neither is Scipio or Hannibal or Caeser (any) Medieval.
Still, the throne of commander could be given to Aleksander Nevski of Vladimir-Suzdal, and posts of generals to Birger Jarl, Roger de Flor and Batu-Khan.
@ Poirot: What wee you tlaking aobut in your last sentence?
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Posted: 31-May-2005 at 09:40 |
Originally posted by rider
To be true, then neither is Scipio or Hannibal or Caeser (any) Medieval.
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Yes, I did not realize that the topic said 'medieval'. Sorry about that. I'll be more careful.
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Posted: 02-Jun-2005 at 13:40 |
Nothing... just being... annoyance.
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