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    Posted: 25-Mar-2007 at 19:19
Originally posted by Anton

So, basic conclusion is that professor Arnaiz-Villena is respected scientist whether his conclusions are true or not. 
 
I agree with Anton that good professionals can make bad calls.  Happens all the time.
 
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Originally posted by Hellios

I agree with Anton that good professionals can make bad calls.  Happens all the time.
 
And some people also believe that compromising of a scientist may compromise his results. This is obviously wrong -- every educated person see the difference between personality and what he is doing. One can find many examples.
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There are scientific researches on this subject. One of the well known of it is:
 
Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization (The Fabrication of Ancient Greece 1785-1985, Volume 1) of Martin Bernal.
 
 
It is a quit nice and well documented book. I recommend you to read it. You will see how our perceptions can be manipulated.
 
 
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Originally posted by Alparslan

 
You will see how our perceptions can be manipulated. 
 
 
Manipulated is the key work here. Black Athena is a bad joke as a book and dismissed by most academics. Still it can manipulate someone with no knowledge of history (it can do even worse to someone who knows some history and considers himself an expoert)
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This isnt a very common Greek look..
http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/greekwomen/fani_drakopoulou.jpg

Hellios where are those soccer teams from ?

Also some of them players look slightly asiatic, Turkish prhaps.





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Originally posted by Alparslan

 
There are scientific researches on this subject. One of the well known of it is:
 
Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization (The Fabrication of Ancient Greece 1785-1985, Volume 1) of Martin Bernal.
 
 
It is a quit nice and well documented book. I recommend you to read it. You will see how our perceptions can be manipulated.
 
 
 
Bernal is a linguist, not an archaeologist. His theories are based on plausibility (he admitts that himself on the opening chapter on the book), not fact.
A number of authors/scholars have countered Bernal's claims in a convincing way. Among others:
-Article by Robert L. Pounder entitled "Black Athena 2: History Without Rules" in The American Historical Review, Vol. 97, No 2 (April 1992)
-The most profound renouncement in my oppinion: "Black Athena Revisited" by Mary R. Lefkowitz and Guy McLean Rogers. Excellent arguments.
-Jacques Berlinerblau "Heresy in the University: The Black Athena Controversy and the Responsibilities of American Intellectuals", 1999
 
About a dozen articles by  various authors can be found here: www.worldagesarchive.com/Indivindual%20Web%20Pages/BlackAthena.html
One of the most interesting is Mary R Lefkowitz's counter-response to Bernal's response to his critics. I like this woman!


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Also some of them players look slightly asiatic, Turkish prhaps.
 
Please clarify which players you are talking about. I am really interested in your analysis of the phenotypes of certain peoples.
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